Shisami's power level

[Kishido]

I want to discuss this matter seriously... I dislike RoF cuz of bringing Frieza back with such power jump in just 4 month and for other reasons... But let forget it for this thread

But Shisami is really bringing is confusing my head. What has been Toriyama and Toei thinking with him?

First it is said that he is similar in strengt to Zarbon and Dodoria, meaning absolutely fodder, and in the movie he suddenly is able to fight toe on toe with a Super Namek?

What are we supposed to believe? That Piccolo just got weak as fuck or Shisami suddenly in just 4 month was able to get to Super Name level as well?

No matter how you twist it... It is bad.

I simply can't believe that some fodder is able to catch up to Piccolo level in short time just because of plot... it really shits on all the training the Z-Fighters has done over the years.

No matter how I twist it... I can't see any sense behind this. Frieza OK... He is a fan favourite villian, even if I would let him stay dead... But not Shisami

[Kamiccolo9]

To my knowledge, it never compares his strength to Zarbon and Dodoria. Way back when the movie came out in Japan, Kei said that the wording used referred to rank, not strength. People just ran with "it has to mean strength."

[Kishido]

To my knowledge, it never compares his strength to Zarbon and Dodoria. Way back when the movie came out in Japan, Kei said that the wording used referred to rank, not strength. People just ran with "it has to mean strength."

I rad it about power.

And even if it is rank. Where was this guy in the most important mission of Frieza... Getting the DragonBalls.

Super Namek Piccolo is stronger as Final Form Frieza in Namek... This would mean Shisami, an underling, is stronger as his boss in Namek.

[Zephyr]

I make it work with a combination of three factors:

1. Shisami probably trained with Freeza and got undisclosed amount of gains from it.

2. Piccolo isn't used to trying to do the martial arts equivalent of stomping on a bunch of ants without killing them. This caused him to not be entirely mentally composed/focused, which lead to Shisami getting some lucky hits in on him.

3. Piccolo wasn't actually really having trouble. Shisami got a couple of lucky hits in because Piccolo's not used to this sort of fight. Gohan, being the idiot that he is, jumps the gun and thinks that Piccolo's in trouble. Piccolo even essentially says that he had it under control.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The way I see it:

-Shisami trained during those four months and powered-up immensely
-Piccolo lost so much power from fighting those henchmen that his power went down to Zarbon level
-Everyone's power was nerfed in the movie, which would explain why Freeza thinks acquiring a Battle Power of 1.3 million will allow him to surpass Goku
-Shisami's a mutant, so his Battle Power was always ridiculous. He just lacked the motivation to wield the power.

Gohan had to transform into a Super Saiyan to take him down, so that alone implies he wasn't a normal enemy.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

To my knowledge, it never compares his strength to Zarbon and Dodoria. Way back when the movie came out in Japan, Kei said that the wording used referred to rank, not strength. People just ran with "it has to mean strength."

In the English dub, at least from what I recall, the word used to compare Shisami and Tagoma to Zarbon and Dodoria was "rivals".

As in Shisami and Tagoma rival Zarbon and Dodoria at the peaks (or it might've been prime).

I could be wrong though, I'm going off my somewhat faulty memory and it's the dub.

[Kishido]

Oh you really twist things... But saying Gohan had to go Super Saiyan... It's bad enough but we shouldn't make Piccolo completelw fodder compared to an untrained Super Saiyan Gohan.

Of course ignore this if he is a Super unexplained Saiyan Mystic Gogan.

And again... Frieza's power jump was bad but Shisami is even worse. And all this in 4 month. Really Goku should stop fighting. Trains his ass off for several years, masters different transformations but hey... Bring character back and power him for reasons.

Next movie will be the return of Cell and cuz if his Frieza DNA he will train for 4 month and become stronger as Beerus himself.

[h0kuten]

He likely started off at Zarbon tier, like Frieza coming back weaker than before. However, with training he was able to catch up to Piccolo, whereas Frieza caught up to Goku Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

It's not outlandish or stupid or absurd.

The gap to get from Zarbon to Piccolo is infinitely smaller than to get from 1rst Form Frieza, past 70% Beerus.

So after training he was likely around Kid Gohan Mssj <-> Ssj2 tier.

[dbzfan7]

The wording is basically the same as how they described Abo and Cado. I basically go with Piccolo was just tired. I mean they all needed senzu beans after fighting everyone. I honestly think they wouldn't, but the movie portrayed that they did. It may sound dumb, but welcome to the neo era where that's a given.

[h0kuten]

It's more logical that he trained.

He was a prodigy among Frieza's henchmen.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I myself abide by the explanation that everyone besides Goku and Vegeta were nerfed down to below 1,300,000.

[fadeddreams5]

I hope it's confirmed in Super that he's as strong as Zarbon.


Only to have Piccolo get decked in the face by him.

[h0kuten]

I hope it's confirmed in Super that he's as strong as Zarbon.


Only to have Piccolo get decked in the face by him.

What if it shows him training with Frieza?

[Polyphase Avatron]

I just want a Freeza training episode period.

[Tectorman]

I had theorized that "as strong as Zarbon and Dodoria in their prime" meant that, way, way, way back when, Zarbon and Dodoria were actually powerful. They just got fat and lazy over the years and the 21,000-ish power we saw from them on Namek was really just a pale shadow of what they used to have.

[Hugo Boss]

I guess anything lower than First Form Freeza's 530,000 is just fine. Shisame and Tagoma are about the same strength and everyone seems to be much weaker than they should. They didn't really care for consistence in powerlevels in this movie.

[predazunn]

I seriously don't get this thread, apart from Shisami being Zarbon/Dodoria PL and going toe to toe with Kamicollo you have:

Frieza eclipsing Buu after 4 months
Roshi of 120 putting in a very similar performance as that of Tien and Krillin
Goku being almost killed by a fodder laser despite the fact that in his first appearance he is caught off guard by a bullet and it does nothing
the implication that SOMEHOW SSj2 Vegeta > SSj3 Goku
Hell going back to Kamicollo himself there's a discrepancy between his fusion with Nail and that with Kami.

Seriously the rules keep changing and to quote DBZA Vegeta:

''Power levels are BS''

Sorry that's the only in-universe explanation you're going to get. The rule is do not take the characters' comments/reactions to heart. It's just BS.

[mikey4111]

I can't picture Frieza training with him, or training with anyone.

[h0kuten]

I can't picture Freeza training with him, or training with anyone.

You couldn't picture Frieza training to begin with.

No exceptions here.

I seriously don't get this thread, apart from Shisami being Zarbon/Dodoria PL and going toe to toe with Kamicollo you have:

Freeza eclipsing Buu after 4 months
Roshi of 120 putting in a very similar performance as that of Tenshinhan and Krillin
Goku being almost killed by a fodder laser despite the fact that in his first appearance he is caught off guard by a bullet and it does nothing
the implication that SOMEHOW SSj2 Vegeta > SSj3 Goku
Hell going back to Kamicollo himself there's a discrepancy between his fusion with Nail and that with Kami.

Seriously the rules keep changing and to quote DBZA Vegeta:

''Power levels are BS''

Sorry that's the only in-universe explanation you're going to get. The rule is do not take the characters' comments/reactions to heart. It's just BS.

Team four star has no authority or influence on the current material.

a) Roshi fought weaker opponents just like Jaco and was clearly the weakest amongst the group.
b) Off guard attacks have been shown to affect greatly stronger opponents. Whiss also warned Goku about this, so it has an in-universe explanation.
c) Yet you conform to Base Gotenks Post surpassing Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre. The rage boost is no longer exclusive to Gohan or Oob.

All it takes is 5 minutes of thinking to make logical sense of every scenario.

[rereboy]

You couldn't picture Freeza training to begin with.

Yes, I could. Freeza was portrayed as a calculating tyrant that was unwilling to take chances in early and middle Namek. I have no trouble picturing Freeza being completely berserk about losing to Goku and threatening his minions with death until they found a method of increasing his power dramatically (whether its a training method or something else).