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Professor Gohan
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by Professor Gohan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:02 am
The myth takes place back in the times on "Planet Vegeta," correct? Planet Vegeta is the name of the planet that King Vegeta supposedly conquered.
So, we all know the myth takes place during King Vegeta's rein and age. It is said the original Super Saiyan God underwent a ritual and became SSG to battle evil-hearted Saiyans during a dark wartime on Planet Vegeta.
Vegeta is starting to get believed as a descended of the original Super Saiyan God (since his godly abilities and powers are beginning to surface).
Is it possible that King Vegeta (Sr.) was the original Super Saiyan God? Could that be something we find out later? Is that why he has so much of a divine connection with Freeza and Beerus?
Check this out as well, to go along with your thoughts:
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:06 am
King Vegeta was evil & got killed by Freeza, while the Super Saiyan God of the legend was a righteous person & got killed by evil Saiyans. Doesn't match.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Professor Gohan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:10 am
It was said the evil Saiyans killed him? I capped at knowing the form ran out of time, but I guess I'm forgetting from there.
I don't think King Vegeta has to be considered so "evil."
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:42 am
Professor Gohan wrote:It was said the evil Saiyans killed him? I capped at knowing the form ran out of time, but I guess I'm forgetting from there.
Well, it was said that he was erased from history, so I would imagine that this includes killing him.
I don't think King Vegeta has to be considered so "evil."
He is the leader of a race that destroys entire races in order to sell their planets, and they do that because they love doing that. He is worse than Hitler.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Darkprince410 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:50 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Professor Gohan wrote:It was said the evil Saiyans killed him? I capped at knowing the form ran out of time, but I guess I'm forgetting from there.
Well, it was said that he was erased from history, so I would imagine that this includes killing him.
In addition, it was established that, following the Super Saiya-jin God form fading, evil pervaded the planet again. It'd be extremely unlikely for the evil ones to allow the few good ones to remain alive to potentially perform the ritual again, much less let him rule the planet (if it were King Vegeta).
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by oreos-splash » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:53 am
In a weird Time paradox I'm going to assume it was Bardock. He became righteous after spending time with the inhabitants of Planet Plant. And the Saiyans arrival forced him fight back to protect Plants inhabitants. Until he lost
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by Darkprince410 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:57 am
oreos-splash wrote:In a weird Time paradox I'm going to assume it was Bardock. He became righteous after spending time with the inhabitants of Planet Plant. And the Saiyans arrival forced him fight back to protect Plants inhabitants. Until he lost
Given that the Episode of Bardock special doesn't really exist in any continuity, as Naho Ooishi wrote it as nothing more than a "what if" story, that really wouldn't work.
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by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:10 pm
Just because they said it happened on planet Vegeta doesn't necessarily mean it was after the Saiyans renamed it that. Historians often talk about events that happened in "The Americas" before the Europeans discovered and colonized them, and named them that.
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by oreos-splash » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:16 pm
Darkprince410 wrote:oreos-splash wrote:In a weird Time paradox I'm going to assume it was Bardock. He became righteous after spending time with the inhabitants of Planet Plant. And the Saiyans arrival forced him fight back to protect Plants inhabitants. Until he lost
Given that the Episode of Bardock special doesn't really exist in any continuity, as Naho Ooishi wrote it as nothing more than a "what if" story, that really wouldn't work.
It could or it couldn't. It's been explained away in Xenoverse as the Supreme Kai of Time's doing. And theories about its possibilities. I like to think Bardock is the one God, and a high possibility
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by Xeztin » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:28 pm
Vegeta may have had an older brother, and the event's happened before Vegeta was born. Id imagine if King Vegeta had a son that was good natured like Gohan, and that son became a SSG and rebelled against the evil ways of The King, then he would have him killed, and what ever small group helped him in the ritual, and never mention him to his later son Vegeta, as he was embarresed by the fact a son of his was good natured. I know its out there but it would explain the resemblance to Vegeta. Didn't the God of planet Vegeta also think the Saiyans were evil and tried to destroy them? He could have played a part in the ritual, or could have been the OSSG's mentor.
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by Eire » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:51 pm
Didn't the God of planet Vegeta also think the Saiyans were evil and tried to destroy them?
Nope. That was filler story told by King Kai.
Sayians lived on Planet Plant before they renamed it and it's possible that they visited it before. As Polyphase Avatron reminded us people often refer to past lands and countries using modern names so there's no indication that it took place so recently.
Erasing from history has probably nothing to do with being killed- just not leaving records in books and disappearing from memory. Sayians didn't build stone temples and monuments nor wrote extensive books about their history so they were basically one cultural change away from forgetting most of it. The only thing left from once well-known stories were mistaken names, miserable attempts to re-create original myth and inferiority-superiority complex towards other cultures with written myths.
One more argument for my theory that Sayians are space Slavs.
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