Cell as a SSG Ritual material

[ATEMVEGETA]

Since Cell has Saiyan cells in his body, could he hypothetically be considered as a Saiyan for a SSG ritual?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He probably has more Saiyan DNA in him than Pan logically should at the ~week of development she should be at if Bluma's birthday party is on her actual birthday. So sure, why not? But he doesn't have the righteous heart anyway, so it's a moot point.

[Blade]

I don't see a biological reason as to why he couldn't, but I think the 'pure of heart' condition might be an issue.

I mean, I guess you could take 'pure hearted' to mean a number of things - there's no saying, for example, that a person couldn't be pure-heartedly evil - but the way that the issue is addressed in both Battle of Gods and Super when it comes to Vegeta implies that we're only dealing in terms of goodness.

There's also possibly an argument as to whether Cell even has heart in the context of whatever prerequisite qualities are required for the ritual, being himself an artificially constructed being.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't see a biological reason as to why he couldn't, but I think the 'pure of heart' condition might be an issue.

I see people mentioning this repeatedly in regards to Super Saiyan God, but that's not the condition. I don't remember how Super handled it, but Battle of Gods and the Chozenshu says "righteous".

• Super Saiyan God
  People: Son Goku
  Characteristics: The condition is that 6 Saiyans with righteous hearts must be assembled. It is then created when 5 of the righteous Saiyans send their ki into the remaining one. In the film “Battle of Gods”, Goku became Super Saiyan God when he received ki from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Pan inside Videl’s womb. He powers up to such an extent that he far surpasses Super Saiyan 3, his hair becomes red, and his body becomes somewhat slender.

[Blade]

I don't see a biological reason as to why he couldn't, but I think the 'pure of heart' condition might be an issue.

I see people mentioning this repeatedly in regards to Super Saiyan God, but that's not the condition. I don't remember how Super handled it, but Battle of Gods and the Chozenshu says "righteous".

• Super Saiyan God
  People: Son Goku
  Characteristics: The condition is that 6 Saiyans with righteous hearts must be assembled. It is then created when 5 of the righteous Saiyans send their ki into the remaining one. In the film “Battle of Gods”, Goku became Super Saiyan God when he received ki from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Pan inside Videl’s womb. He powers up to such an extent that he far surpasses Super Saiyan 3, his hair becomes red, and his body becomes somewhat slender.

I think it's six-and-two-threes. Pure is a synonym of righteous, but I agree that the latter carries a stronger connotation of goodness. Like I said, it's explained in both Anime adaptations of the story to be meant that way anyway, so it's not really ambiguous.

[shinmaru]

I don't see a biological reason as to why he couldn't, but I think the 'pure of heart' condition might be an issue.

I see people mentioning this repeatedly in regards to Super Saiyan God, but that's not the condition. I don't remember how Super handled it, but Battle of Gods and the Chozenshu says "righteous".

• Super Saiyan God
  People: Son Goku
  Characteristics: The condition is that 6 Saiyans with righteous hearts must be assembled. It is then created when 5 of the righteous Saiyans send their ki into the remaining one. In the film “Battle of Gods”, Goku became Super Saiyan God when he received ki from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Pan inside Videl’s womb. He powers up to such an extent that he far surpasses Super Saiyan 3, his hair becomes red, and his body becomes somewhat slender.

Cell needs to shit out 5 pure hearted Cell juniors to become God

[Shoryuken]

The term in the original is literally "honest/proper/just/righteous (of) heart" (正しい心, tadashii kokoro). None of which really seem to fit Cell and the requirement is that all 6 saiyans (including the one who is to be empowered) partaking in the ritual are of a righteous heart meaning that Cell has about squat chance of becoming godly as well as taking part of the ritual himself.

[Blade]

I don't see a biological reason as to why he couldn't, but I think the 'pure of heart' condition might be an issue.

I see people mentioning this repeatedly in regards to Super Saiyan God, but that's not the condition. I don't remember how Super handled it, but Battle of Gods and the Chozenshu says "righteous".

• Super Saiyan God
  People: Son Goku
  Characteristics: The condition is that 6 Saiyans with righteous hearts must be assembled. It is then created when 5 of the righteous Saiyans send their ki into the remaining one. In the film “Battle of Gods”, Goku became Super Saiyan God when he received ki from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Pan inside Videl’s womb. He powers up to such an extent that he far surpasses Super Saiyan 3, his hair becomes red, and his body becomes somewhat slender.

Cell needs to shit out 5 pure hearted Cell juniors to become God

Shhh! Don't say that too loudly, Namco Bandai might hear you.

I can just imagine the Dragonball Heroes trailer now...

[shinmaru]

I wonder how Champa became god? He is definitely not the good hearted guy.

[Lord Beerus]

I wonder how Champa became god? He is definitely not the good hearted guy.

We don't know that yet. My bet is that he is very much like Beerus and he is more of neutral type. Not an evil force of a good force, just a force. As for Cell being SSJG ritual material, if him dying and going to Hell is any indication, he doesn't have the righteous/pure characteristic to qualify.

[Truhan]

I'd rather have a Cell Jr. join the Z fighters and grow into Perfect Cell, so that he could power himself up with 5 Juniors of his own. Righteous heart problem solved

[Shoryuken]

I wonder how Champa became god? He is definitely not the good hearted guy.

We don't know that yet. My bet is that he is very much like Beerus and he is more of neutral type. Not an evil force of a good force, just a force. As for Cell being SSJG ritual material, if him dying and going to Hell is any indication, he doesn't have the righteous/pure characteristic to qualify.

Surely there are different circumstances for becoming a god of destruction versus the ritual of righteous hearts for achieving the SSJGod form.Therefore the whole having a righteous heart presumably needn't apply for Champa or Beerus.

[Kamiccolo9]

I feel like a divine magical ritual would be able to interpret that Cell is, in fact, not a Saiyan. I don't see it working at all.

[shinmaru]

I feel like a divine magical ritual would be able to interpret that Cell is, in fact, not a Saiyan. I don't see it working at all.

Now that I think about it Cell doesn't even need the god stuff he can just train like Freeza and transform into Golden or Silver Cell.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I feel like a divine magical ritual would be able to interpret that Cell is, in fact, not a Saiyan. I don't see it working at all.

Now that I think about it Cell doesn't even need the god stuff he can just train like Freeza and transform into Golden or Silver Cell.

Or Crystal Cell.

[Gonstead]

I feel like a divine magical ritual would be able to interpret that Cell is, in fact, not a Saiyan. I don't see it working at all.

How would it define Cell as not being good material for the ritual though? Genetics? If so, people like Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan shouldn't be able to be counted either

The wording around how the ritual works is incredibly vague. If Cell is capable of generating SSJ aura and being able to utilize the effects of a zenkai boost, traits which are only available to Saiyans mind you, I'd think he'd be able to be counted as worthy material in that sense.

The righteous / pure heart thing though? Yeah, I think its pretty clear this would be the main factor holding him back from being able to be used.

[Kamiccolo9]

I feel like a divine magical ritual would be able to interpret that Cell is, in fact, not a Saiyan. I don't see it working at all.

How would it define Cell as not being good material for the ritual though? Genetics? If so, people like Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan shouldn't be able to be counted either

The wording around how the ritual works is incredibly vague. If Cell is capable of generating SSJ aura and being able to utilize the effects of a zenkai boost, traits which are only available to Saiyans mind you, I'd think he'd be able to be counted as worthy material in that sense.

The righteous / pure heart thing though? Yeah, I think its pretty clear this would be the main factor holding him back from being able to be used.

Because magic. Cell isn't a Saiyan. I'd imagine a divine magical ritual would pick up on that.

[Faustus]

Perhaps that would be the case, but how does the ritual define "Saiyan-ness" when it goes to "pick up" on whatever? Technically speaking, are Gohan and the boys themselves "Saiyans" proper? Is a mule a horse? If yes (the ritual certainly seems to think so), why can't Cell be a "Saiyan", too? The only traits, far as I can tell, that would make the halflings but not Cell viable for selection would be 1) physiology (Cell is a giant bug) or 2) the fact of being Saiyan offspring (which Cell isn't).

[Kamiccolo9]

Perhaps that would be the case, but how does the ritual define "Saiyan-ness" when it goes to "pick up" on whatever? Technically speaking, are Gohan and the boys themselves "Saiyans" proper? Is a mule a horse? If yes (the ritual certainly seems to think so), why can't Cell be a "Saiyan", too? The only traits, far as I can tell, that would make the halflings but not Cell viable for selection would be 1) physiology (Cell is a giant bug) or 2) the fact of being Saiyan offspring (which Cell isn't).

You're trying to apply science to this. The ritual is magic. Cell is as much a Saiyan as I would be a pig if I got a transplanted pig heart. Cell certainly doesn't identify as a Saiyan. And then, you could make the argument that Cell isn't even technically alive.

[Cetra]

And then, you could make the argument that Cell isn't even technically alive.

Cell has a body that consists of cells, lifeforms. His body is alive. Cell has a soul and the consciousness as an individual being. He is as alive as you and me. It does not matter at all if he was not born the natural way. If we really want to be technical, an actual being as a person does not even need a living body. Only a consciousness. Or then, for what it is worth, if we do not want to get specific into the "conscious lifeform" territory, just needs to be a living organism, such as cells themselves are. And Cell has all of that.