Resurrection 'F' could have been so much more

[TheXenoverse]

I originally posted this in another forum, and wanted to get it out to others to see if anyone else shared my opinions and ideas.

So, I want to ask you guys, if you were to write Ressurrection F, what direction and key decisions would you have made, and to start the discussion, I'll list some of the things I would have done/added/changed to the movie

Beautiful animation, well thought out interactions, the simple beauty of SSGSS and Golden Freeza aside, the story is absolute trash.

FREEZA’S CHARACTER

Role: not the antagonist, but instead the main character/sort of protagonist of the film. We've never had this or seen the villains side of the conflict in a DB story before, and it would be interesting to see the roles reversed. Freeza needs to make it past the exponentially more powerful heroes, one by one, and would create a conflict far more interesting.

Backstory: He is the only villain shrouded in mystery, and while that may be for the best to make him more frightening, this is his movie, its the best time for it. Personally, I would have connected him to the God of Destruction, perhaps he was a candidate for the role but was far too lazy and never reached his potential? That would explain the power increase and would create a dynamic between Freeza and Beerus that would actually add dimensions to both characters

Freeza and Beerus: As said above, perhaps create a backstory involving Freeza and Beerus having a history together, maybe both pupils of Whis. Beerus took a better, more productive use of his talent and power while Freeza quit training, becoming lazy and wanting the two of them to use their power to shape the universe the way they wanted.

Cold Family: Revive the rest of the Cold Family for more tension and opponents for the others to fight (Cooler, Cold, Kuriza, Chilled and perhaps even retcon in a mother for Freeza's for an interesting family dynamic)
Worst Wish in History: Allow Freeza to get his wish for immortality, that will truly be the worst wish ever. An immortal villain will be a major threat for heroes obviously and while it may seem impossible to defeat, there are many unique ways around it.

Character Development: During training, perhaps he would become more honourable, less time wasting and less cowardly, which are the major downfalls of all DBZ antagonists and make him even more formidable

OTHER CHARACTERS:
-SSGSS exclusive to Vegeta (also rename to SSG2) and have Goku in support role. Perhaps SSGSS/SSG2 needs to be unlocked differently, with an individual needing a heart of both peace and destruction to become a god, the latter of which Goku doesn’t have, and would explain Beerus' destructive nature. Also, it would mean Vegeta is finally the hero.

-Explore dynamic between Vegeta and Freeza during their battle

- Character development for Goku? Have Goku learn from Vegeta's style, that some people never change and that ruthlessness is necessary to protect loved ones, as Vegeta demonstrates during their fight. He may fight the other frost demons, most likely King Cold. Goku is not the focus of the movie, but is still prevelant, and essentially takes the role of Vegeta in the original movie

-Character development for Vegeta, becoming more wise and prepared to finish off enemies instantly, something that Goku learns from himself

-Character development for Bulma? Have her stand up for Vegeta in a moment of bleakness, showing her devotion to him, but leading to her death by Freeza who cannot fathom that Vegeta, someone who was once as evil as him, could have a loved one.
-Character development for Gohan? He puts up a semi-decent fight against a 2nd Form Freeza, with god ki of course, but is off-ed, and vows to train both him and Pan for the next threat when it comes

PLOT POINTS AND TWEAKS TO ADD:
-Involvement of the entire Galactic Patrol, make this an interstellar war

-Expansion of the Universe, what happened during Freeza’s absence, world building if there’s time

-Have two acts, one where Freeza is dominant, another where the Frost demons are defeated.

-After Goku fails, and Vegeta ‘seemingly’ beaten, Beerus and Freeza have a battle akin to Roshi vs Tien where they argue about their paths taken and such, and we get to see Beerus’ hurt at Freeza wasting his potential on trivial revenge, and add a sense of tragedy to a DBZ fight that has never been used before

-More unexpected characters fighting with the Z fighters

-The universe finally knowing the Z fighters are the heroes that defeated Freeza and becoming legends within the galaxy

- Gotenks vs Kuriza, Goku vs King Cold and Freeza’s mother, Gohan vs Cooler, Z fighters vs Chilled, Vegeta vs Golden Frieza

-Seeing as Toriyama probably already had it in mind, let this lead directly into the Universe 6 arc. Freeza can’t die but is still humiliated, and Beerus has been injured too, so perhaps have them participate in the God/ Universe Tournament, now that Freeza has attained God status, to determine who becomes god of universe 7, and involve the other gods as well

- Goku learning of his father’s sacrifice, and vowing to visit him and Raditz in the afterlife, and in turn gaining appreciation for his people.
-Another Universal Spirit Bomb?

This was a lot longer than intended but hey, I got my ideas out, post your own and expand/disagree with mine if you want too!

[Wezenheim]

The many flaws of 'F' have been talked about here ad nauseam and while I don't hate the movie, I agree with many that it was a waste of potential and in a lot of ways a waste of time.

There are a lot of things I'd change about the movie, but the main ones include:

1. Not making Freeza a total joke. His revival should have been more than an eventual one side fight with Goku while Beerus and Whis were casually eating a damn sundae on the sidelines.

2. The laser gun thing was a "confusing" scene that didn't need to exist.

3. This should have been the start of Super. You cant just throw BS like new transformations at us without any sort of explanation.

4. The whole thing was barely even a blip on the radar. It was basically one of the old DBZ movies. The ONLY reason that this movie existed was to help Goku and Vegeta learn their weaknesses (I guess). Battle of Gods gave us new stuff and it had an impact on the world and on the story. Resurrection 'F' was pointless and in the grand scheme of things didn't need to exist. I still like the movie and I own the Blu Ray proudly, but I hate that it's canon (apparently).

There are numerous, numerous threads here that you should check out about this movie. There is more Id change, but those are some of the main things.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

[ekrolo2]

All of this feels too fan wanky like Goku giving an iota of a fuck about Bardock.

[Wezenheim]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

The Cell arc was self contained, but it didn't feel pointless. The characters grew a lot and the world around them was actually changed by the events that occurred. The Cell saga is full of plotholes, but it at least added to the narrative a bit. Heck, at the time we all were lead to believe that Goku was dying for good this time. That's some big stuff.

Resurrection 'F' is good, mindless fun. That's all it is though. I would've had 0 problem with the film as it is if it was non canon and was a "DB Super movie". I wanted very badly for this movie to work even better than it did, because it could have. I dont hate the movie at all, I have a good time watching it, but Freeza should have had a bigger impact.

[Wezenheim]

All of this feels too fan wanky like Goku giving an iota of a fuck about Bardock.

Yeah, I feel like Goku wouldn't care at all about him if they actually met.

[ekrolo2]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

The Cell arc was self contained, but it didn't feel pointless. The characters grew a lot and the world around them was actually changed by the events that occurred. The Cell saga is full of plotholes, but it at least added to the narrative a bit. Heck, at the time we all were lead to believe that Goku was dying for good this time. That's some big stuff.

Resurrection 'F' is good, mindless fun. That's all it is though. I would've had 0 problem with the film as it is if it was non canon and was a "DB Super movie". I wanted very badly for this movie to work even better than it did, because it could have. I dont hate the movie at all, I have a good time watching it, but Freeza should have had a bigger impact.

The movie could have worked with a simple, not at all hard change: have Freeza learn from his mistakes and show us how by doing so you can vastly improve yourself and when he beats down the heroes, it shows that their stagnation or regression have finally caught up with them. This simple change would break the formula of Freeza's come backs being a joke, giving a unique arc for a villain and would have made several problems with the characters personality mean something other than "I'm Toriyama, you'll like my shit anyway so I won't try."

[Wezenheim]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

The Cell arc was self contained, but it didn't feel pointless. The characters grew a lot and the world around them was actually changed by the events that occurred. The Cell saga is full of plotholes, but it at least added to the narrative a bit. Heck, at the time we all were lead to believe that Goku was dying for good this time. That's some big stuff.

Resurrection 'F' is good, mindless fun. That's all it is though. I would've had 0 problem with the film as it is if it was non canon and was a "DB Super movie". I wanted very badly for this movie to work even better than it did, because it could have. I dont hate the movie at all, I have a good time watching it, but Freeza should have had a bigger impact.

The movie could have worked with a simple, not at all hard change: have Freeza learn from his mistakes and show us how by doing so you can vastly improve yourself and when he beats down the heroes, it shows that their stagnation or regression have finally caught up with them. This simple change would break the formula of Freeza's come backs being a joke, giving a unique arc for a villain and would have made several problems with the characters personality mean something other than "I'm Toriyama, you'll like my shit anyway so I won't try."

Yup. Your rants on the movie far exceed anything that I could type about it, haha. I love the irony of Freeza's line "I made mistakes last time and you caught me off guard" before he went into his final form (I think that's how the line went). Turns out he actually didn't learn anything at all, and now we have "Whis Ex Machina", so why worry bout anything?

[sintzu]

Great ideas, another I'd change is have this be the last arc of the story.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

The Cell arc was self contained, but it didn't feel pointless. The characters grew a lot and the world around them was actually changed by the events that occurred. The Cell saga is full of plotholes, but it at least added to the narrative a bit. Heck, at the time we all were lead to believe that Goku was dying for good this time. That's some big stuff.

Resurrection 'F' is good, mindless fun. That's all it is though. I would've had 0 problem with the film as it is if it was non canon and was a "DB Super movie". I wanted very badly for this movie to work even better than it did, because it could have. I dont hate the movie at all, I have a good time watching it, but Freeza should have had a bigger impact.

Characters hardly grew, Gohan went full study mode, Vegeta still wanted to best Kakarot yes he was toned down from the Cell Saga but that was more to do with the 7 years of peace, Krillin was the same the only difference is he went and got married, Piccolo was the same also. How is exactly did the world around them change? The world seems as it did before early Buu saga.

Why difference does Resurrection "F" make if it is "canon" or "non-canon", there is no "canon" in Dragon Ball, enjoy or don't enjoy the film how you want, we are privileged enough as DB fans to make our own "canon" up. Resurrection "F" was always meant to be mindless fun, it set out what it wanted to achieve it didn't promise to go any deeper, any exploration of Universe 6 couldn't have been done in movie form anyway and it seemed like it was a final test of the franchise to see whether the demand was there, so a fun little movie did make sense.

[Wezenheim]

I don't understand why it being self contained is necessarily a flaw. The Cell was pretty self contained and that's canon yet I don't see anyone bringing that up when the talk about the flaws of that arc and hell there was a thread the other day where some folks were praising it being self contained.

The Cell arc was self contained, but it didn't feel pointless. The characters grew a lot and the world around them was actually changed by the events that occurred. The Cell saga is full of plotholes, but it at least added to the narrative a bit. Heck, at the time we all were lead to believe that Goku was dying for good this time. That's some big stuff.

Resurrection 'F' is good, mindless fun. That's all it is though. I would've had 0 problem with the film as it is if it was non canon and was a "DB Super movie". I wanted very badly for this movie to work even better than it did, because it could have. I dont hate the movie at all, I have a good time watching it, but Freeza should have had a bigger impact.

Characters hardly grew, Gohan went full study mode, Vegeta still wanted to best Kakarot yes he was toned down from the Cell Saga but that was more to do with the 7 years of peace, Krillin was the same the only difference is he went and got married, Piccolo was the same also. How is exactly did the world around them change? The world seems as it did before early Buu saga.

Why difference does Resurrection "F" make if it is "canon" or "non-canon", there is no "canon" in Dragon Ball, enjoy or don't enjoy the film how you want, we are privileged enough as DB fans to make our own "canon" up. Resurrection "F" was always meant to be mindless fun, it set out what it wanted to achieve it didn't promise to go any deeper, any exploration of Universe 6 couldn't have been done in movie form anyway and it seemed like it was a final test of the franchise to see whether the demand was there, so a fun little movie did make sense.

Well if we are going to look at the series as a whole everyone from the cast would be dead had it not been for Future Trunks changing the timeline. The Boo saga wouldn't have existed. I doubt Vegeta would have been the same without Future Trunks' influence on him. Theres more but I have to type it up later. You have a point about canon and fun though, Ill concede that. Like I said, I enjoyed 'F' and I dont hate it, but it meant nothing to the story when it had the potential to.

[dbzfan7]

It's the DEEBEEZEE movie. With fanfiction elements thrown right in there. Go home Resurrection F, you're drunk .

Yes the movie had so much potential, and yet it feels right in line with the other 13 movies. Hell probably even beneath movie 13 which has more fun backstory with Tapion n stuff. I agree with some of the above ideas, but I disagree with Goku giving a damn about Raditz or Bardock. He doesn't care about them at all. He has no interest in them.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well if we are going to look at the series as a whole everyone from the cast would be dead had it not been for Future Trunks changing the timeline. The Boo saga wouldn't have existed. I doubt Vegeta would have been the same without Future Trunks' influence on him. Theres more but I have to type it up later. You have a point about canon and fun though, Ill concede that. Like I said, I enjoyed 'F' and I dont hate it, but it meant nothing to the story when it had the potential to.

I was talking about the Cell arc not including Android arc. The only thing the Cell arc did of real worth was intro SS2, but even then it became pretty pointless post-Cell. Sure Goku "died" but then it didn't even give us a glimpse of life without Goku with the stupid ghost Goku thing.

[Wezenheim]

Well if we are going to look at the series as a whole everyone from the cast would be dead had it not been for Future Trunks changing the timeline. The Boo saga wouldn't have existed. I doubt Vegeta would have been the same without Future Trunks' influence on him. Theres more but I have to type it up later. You have a point about canon and fun though, Ill concede that. Like I said, I enjoyed 'F' and I dont hate it, but it meant nothing to the story when it had the potential to.

I was talking about the Cell arc not including Android arc. The only thing the Cell arc did of real worth was intro SS2, but even then it became pretty pointless post-Cell. Sure Goku "died" but then it didn't even give us a glimpse of life without Goku with the stupid ghost Goku thing.

Ah okay, I see what you're saying now. You were just talking about the Cell tournament, that makes sense. Yeah, you could probably do without that story existing, but I do think Cell was a more satisfying main villain and if the story had ended there, it would have been cool though.

[Doctor.]

It could have, it had a lot, but really a lot of potential. And it was all wasted on a shit film which didn't even manage to be entertaining, all for the sake of making a quick buck because of nostalgia. The film seems like Toriyama's answer to BoG's criticism of not having enough action, and he ended up writing something that this easy to please fanbase would enjoy, rather than doing something that he'd enjoy writing.

[Chuquita]

It really could've been so much more. I was really disappointed by the lack of plot and the way things wrapped up in F. BOG set the bar so high I couldn't help expecting more out of its sequel. They billed the plot as having despair, but the movie suffered from a complete lack of consequences. If the bad guy isn't a legit threat, why should the audience worry? Even when he does actually blow up the planet we don't even get to go on a dragon ball hunt on Namek or something; Whis just undos everything immediately.

[Lord Beerus]

Resurrection F certainly had opportunities to explore parts of the Dragon Ball Universe that it missed out on, with Freeza's training and exploration of his race being the biggest missed opportunity, but I still found the movie greatly entertaining despite its flaws. And to be honest, most of your suggestions for plot tweaks sound a bit too fan-fictiony for my taste.

[TheGreatness25]

Fan opinions on the Jump special and Battle of Gods - "It's just a fun little movie that doesn't need too many action scenes; it's just a nice little story!"

Fan opinions on Resurrection "F" - "WTF?? So much wasted potential! It could have been so much more!"

I could say the same about all of the new material.

[Doctor.]

Fan opinions on the Jump special and Battle of Gods - "It's just a fun little movie that doesn't need too many action scenes; it's just a nice little story!"

Fan opinions on Resurrection "F" - "WTF?? So much wasted potential! It could have been so much more!"

I could say the same about all of the new material.

The fanbase isn't one entity with the same opinion.