What do you think of Tagoma?

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:07 am

So now that Super has done something completely different with the character than what we saw in the film, I'm curious to see what you guys think about the character (and I made this thread mainly because the episode thread is focusing more on his power rather than his personality). Do you think the character is being well utilized or do you think this is pointless? Do you think his character development was rushed or done right? Unrealistic or justified? Do you think his new personality is too exaggerated or do you like it? And are you disappointed that he'll be replaced by Ginyu next episode, or do you not care?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:46 am

Doctor. wrote: Do you think the character is being well utilized or do you think this is pointless?

Do you think his new personality is too exaggerated or do you like it?

And are you disappointed that he'll be replaced by Ginyu next episode, or do you not care?

It depends on what'll happen next week.

I think it's great cause we're finally seeing someone new who's serious and cares about something other then food.

If he gets a great battle with Gohan which ends with him losing in a respectful way then I'll be fine with it but if it happens before the fight and Ginuy starts acting stupid then loses to Gotenks in a stupid way to have another "funny" scene like what the preview is hinting at then it'll end up like the rest of the show,pointless and a waste of potential.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:57 am

It's pointless to give him all this development to have him switched with Ginyu and with Gotenks joining in the fight and what we gathered from the NEP it's gonna be a gagy fight. I love Super but seriously they need to stop with all this gag stuff. I hope Ginyu switches body at the end of the episode.

Wezenheim · Post by **Wezenheim** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:36 am

I like Tagoma a lot right now, which is actually why I'm sort of against Ginyu switching bodies with him. I want Ginyu to be there, don't get me wrong, but it would have been nice to lose Shisami instead (if they made him even stronger as well). Tagoma's strength and ruthlessness actually poses a real threat and that's some tension that we just didn't get much of in 'F'. Can you imagine if everyone had to deal with a powerful Tagoma AND Captain Ginyu, who can switch bodies?

The only problem I have with Tagoma's strength is the short length of time in which he obtained it. I like that he was Freeza's training partner. It makes sense and in a way adds to the character. Perhaps it could be explained that his race has an ability that is similar to a Zenkai, which would make his power make even more sense. I just really hope that if Ginyu switches bodies with him that he doesn't lose right away, because I'm kind of afraid of that. As Baggie_Saiyan said, I hope that it doesn't turn into a gag fight and that the Gotenks headbutt was an isolated incident. I love gags and Dragon Ball humor, but I want there to be a real back and forth fight with real tension. If that doesn't happen, it was a waste to even try to develop Tagoma at all in my opinion.

Sandubadear · Post by **Sandubadear** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:41 pm

4 months training every day with the scariest villain of Dragon Ball will surely fuck up your mind. The new Tagoma certainly looks like Zarbon and Dodoria. Anyone noticed how he changed from calling "Sorbet-sama" to "Sorbet-san"?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:12 pm

Wezenheim wrote:Tagoma's strength and ruthlessness actually poses a real threat and that's some tension that we just didn't get much of in 'F'. Can you imagine if everyone had to deal with a powerful Tagoma AND Captain Ginyu, who can switch bodies?

This is Super we're talking about so we can't have too much of that,they'll need to switch into funny mode as quick as possible.

LightBing · Post by **LightBing** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:58 pm

I think it's great, I rather have villains with personality than nameless punching bags. He was very well built. It's easy to believe his personality change from spending that time training with Freeza, basically dying every single day. It's also a great way to illustrate the training of Freeza, if this guy got this strong than Freeza should be much greater.

He's awesome as a side Boss, to give Gohan and the others an actual fight, while making it believable and dangerous. That's why Ginyu stealing is body is one step backwards. I love Ginyu, I think he's great. However he doesn't add anything besides fan-service. He will probably relieve the tension introduced by Tagoma's demeanor, even if Ginyu comes out much stronger.

oreos-splash · Post by **oreos-splash** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:34 pm

Doctor. wrote:So now that Super has done something completely different with the character than what we saw in the film, I'm curious to see what you guys think about the character (and I made this thread mainly because the episode thread is focusing more on his power rather than his personality). Do you think the character is being well utilized or do you think this is pointless? Do you think his character development was rushed or done right? Unrealistic or justified? Do you think his new personality is too exaggerated or do you like it? And are you disappointed that he'll be replaced by Ginyu next episode, or do you not care?

i love the idea. His character development was unexpected. Justified? I guess when you're tortured within an inch of your life for 4 months+, psychologically that would make anyone go insane. I just never expected something like this in Dragon ball super. Especially with all the comedy it's been expressing lately.

Where did it say Ginyu would take over Tagoma's body? O.o

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:12 pm

Doctor. wrote:Do you think the character is being well utilized or do you think this is pointless?

Ultimately, he's pointless, assuming he's killed off. It's very doubtful he'll add any impact to the story. We also know Ginyu will be stealing his body, so all that character development just went down the drain.

Do you think his character development was rushed or done right? Unrealistic or justified?

It was done surprisingly well. In 4 months of consistent punishment, which I imagine felt like an eternity, Frieza sent him into a downward spiral that made him reflect on his own life and understand why his boss is the way he is. This would've been much better if it wasn't revealed Frieza had never trained because it could have served as a revelation of the sort of treatment Frieza himself endured at the hands of his father before he became an emperor. In fact, it's implied he was hurt by him in DBZ.

Do you think his new personality is too exaggerated or do you like it? And are you disappointed that he'll be replaced by Ginyu next episode, or do you not care?

I've been saying Ginyu should return for a long time, but people kept arguing that he "died," which I always called bs. Ginyu returning is the reason I'm not quitting Super yet. Unfortunately, I'm very pessimistic over how they'll use him. Back in DBZ, his demeanor was funny because it contrasted with the tone of the saga, as well as Frieza's callousness. Here, his personality goes hand in hand with this garbage series, where you can expect Vegeta, of all people, dancing like Ginyu used to. Also, he'll probably be killed off. If he's not, we just got ourselves a potential new ally, which might be awesome.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:26 pm

They have handled Tagoma way better than he was handled in the movie, I will definitely say that much. He feels like much of threat and has more a personality to him. It's actually a big of shame that Ginyu will steal his body, because with how good the character has been handled it seems like a waste that he's ultimately gonna become a gag.

Dbzfan94 · Post by **Dbzfan94** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:39 pm

oreos-splash wrote:
Doctor. wrote:So now that Super has done something completely different with the character than what we saw in the film, I'm curious to see what you guys think about the character (and I made this thread mainly because the episode thread is focusing more on his power rather than his personality). Do you think the character is being well utilized or do you think this is pointless? Do you think his character development was rushed or done right? Unrealistic or justified? Do you think his new personality is too exaggerated or do you like it? And are you disappointed that he'll be replaced by Ginyu next episode, or do you not care?
i love the idea. His character development was unexpected. Justified? I guess when you're tortured within an inch of your life for 4 months+, psychologically that would make anyone go insane. I just never expected something like this in Dragon ball super. Especially with all the comedy it's been expressing lately.

Where did it say Ginyu would take over Tagoma's body? O.o

In the episode title and preview for Ep22

AS_Saiyan · Post by **AS_Saiyan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:13 pm

I love Tagoma right now, I think he possess a threat to the Z fighters, and finally they get someone on their on league to fight with (Freeza's soldiers are WAY too weak, while Freeza himself is on another different level of strength).
I hope he will be equal to Gohan in strength, like Piccolo and #17 were equals at their fight and it turn out great.
I also like Ginyu being involved as he is one of my favorite villains. I hope that after a good and long fight between Gohan and Tagoma, he will get Tagoma's body, make the same mistake again as he wouldn't be able to control that body and use its full potential. Then Gotenks will step in and the two will have a goofy yet hillarious fight (I have high hopes for that fight), and then Gotenks will beat Ginyu after seeing his weakness. That way Gotenks and Ginyu won't interupt the action between the Z fighters and Tagoma, and they'll still get some great and funny moments. And it's also a good way to let Gotenks finish off a villain (for the first time if I'm not mistaken) and not let Goku and Vegeta do everything.

Sandubadear · Post by **Sandubadear** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:34 pm

AS_Saiyan wrote:make the same mistake again as he wouldn't be able to control that body and use its full potential.

The summaries and the NEP say Ginyu will power up even further, somehow.

Draconic · Post by **Draconic** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:46 pm

It's a bit early to tell, since we don't know how the Ginyu thing will be handled, but right now he is the best henchman Dragon Ball ever had and certainly seems like a genuine threat worthy of giving the Z Warriors an ass kicking. If it also means Gohan gets a cool fight after soooooo long, all the better, but...we'll see.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:56 pm

I always thought he was a wasted character in the movie, I'm very happy with what they're doing with him now

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:41 pm

Eh....not really a fan of the character's design. Aside from that, I'm not watching Super yet, so I don't really have anything to say about his role in the plot.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:02 pm

I ain't fully on board with him due to "reasons", but I will say now I really don't want Ginyu to take over. Tagoma went through actual change and I want to see how his story plays out. I don't need even more fanservice with Ginyu taking over. Before I was all for Ginyu taking over, but now that Tagoma is more than a nameless mook, I don't want that to happen.

Captain Strawberry · Post by **Captain Strawberry** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:02 am

I like the idea he has been training with Frieza everyday. Makes sense to his power.

yamu · Post by **yamu** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:34 am

I was really glad to see Freeza do any kind of training, or at least some detail about it. I would have rather Sisami filled the role of a training partner, just to keep consistent. However, Tagoma has an interesting character design, and he got dispatched rather quickly in FnF. So if it has to be him, I'm all for it.

Vice · Post by **Vice** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:12 am

He's apparently the prodigy of all prodigies. Yeah, some random mook in Freeza's army that's about to be fed to Captain Ginyu is the only character in the history of the series to get a million times stronger in 4 months. Absolutely shits on the accomplishments of the Z fighters.

Unreal.

Kanzenshuu

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