So About Beerus & Goku Destroying the Universe...?

[theherodjl]

Were they really going to do it? Or is Toei just trying to make us go "Wow!" again with another slight exaggeration of the newest level of strength?
Yeah sure,some shockwaves were sent about the universe and one planet was seen exploding but then Earth was at ground zero of Beerus' and Goku's fight but it didn't suffer too much damage for being mere miles from "power great enough to destroy the universe" as Whis stated. Goku also uses a kamehameha with the power of a God while on the Earth too and the worst it did was cause a sea to split for several seconds, so it kinda seems presumptuous to me that their fight was confirmation of universe-busting capabilities especially with how the concept is tossed aside idly just because Goku somehow knew to match blows evenly to cancel out the shockwaves(however that works..) and Beerus conveniently possessing the power to cancel out Ki blasts.
With the Freeza arc coming up in the anime, do you think they'll revisit the whole "their going to destroy the whole universe!" thing with Golden Freeza vs SSJB Goku & Vegeta or do you think Toei will have forgotten about it and just go back to the old "oh no the Earth is doomed" cliche?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Who knows? The whole sequence and the explanation of how it was supposed to work didn't make much sense, but you could argue it's par for the course.

[Saiyan007]

Narrator said during the beam struggle Goku and Beerus were going to destroy the universe.

King Kai said Beerus could destroy anything in the entire universe

Old Kai was worried about the fate of universe if Beerus took the fight seriously l.

Old Kai said if Beerus and Goku super dense ki ball explodes the entire world would be destroyed.World in this context does not mean planet it obviously means the entire universe.

Champa in the newest manga chapter implies he doesn't care about what happens to the rest of the universe anymore in his fight with Beerus who agrees with his statement only for Whis and Vados to Ko them probably as to prevent them from doing so.

I see no reason not too believe any God tiers in the show can destroy the entire universe we're given too many reasons not too believe that and we would have seen it as well if Beerus didn't nullify the energy during his fight with Goku.

[buutenks]

Well,the shockwaves were explained that they got stronger the further they went from point of impact.

Also i find it hard to believe that people dont want to believe this explanation which was given in the actual show not a fan theory or find it hard to swallow,but seeing guys shooting ki blasts out of their hands or fingers or mouth,flying etc is perfectly believable...

[TheUltimateVegito]

Well,the shockwaves were explained that they got stronger the further they went from point of impact.

Also i find it hard to believe that people dont want to believe this explanation which was given in the actual show not a fan theory or find it hard to swallow,but seeing guys shooting ki blasts out of their hands or fingers or mouth,flying etc is perfectly believable...

I know right? It was great explanation without any real contradiction, to be perfectly frank there's no reason to believe otherwise.

[mikey4111]

But when a stronger Goku trained by Whis fights Frieza the universe is perfectly fine?

[The Monkey King]

Were they really going to do it?

Yes. This was stated repeatedly throughout the episodes by the narrator and multiple characters.

Yeah sure,some shockwaves were sent about the universe and one planet was seen exploding but then Earth was at ground zero of Beerus' and Goku's fight but it didn't suffer too much damage for being mere miles from "power great enough to destroy the universe" as Whis stated.

Watch the episode, it was stated the shockwaves got stronger the further away it got from the point of impact due to Goku's technique.

Goku also uses a kamehameha with the power of a God while on the Earth too and the worst it did was cause a sea to split for several seconds,

This happens constantly within Dragon Ball, casual ki blasts from the saiyan saga onwards have enough power to destroy the moon but they don't always cause explosions of that size.
In universe explanation: ki control
out of universe explanation: Toriyama doesn't want the planet the characters are fighting to blow up with every slight skirmish as that would make the story impossible to write.

so it kinda seems presumptuous to me that their fight was confirmation of universe-busting capabilities

Except for the fact it was stated to be the case by multiple characters, the narrator and the effects the shockwaves were having on the universe

especially with how the concept is tossed aside idly just because Goku somehow knew to match blows evenly to cancel out the shockwaves(however that works..) and Beerus conveniently possessing the power to cancel out Ki blasts.

This is Dragon Ball of course it doesn't make sense, these characters have enough power to destroy the universe, going againt this violates Occam's Razor, just accept that that's what happened.

With the Freeza arc coming up in the anime, do you think they'll revisit the whole "their going to destroy the whole universe!" thing with Golden Freeza vs SSJB Goku & Vegeta or do you think Toei will have forgotten about it and just go back to the old "oh no the Earth is doomed" cliche?

I guess we'll see when we get there.

[buutenks]

But when a stronger Goku trained by Whis fights Freeza the universe is perfectly fine?

sigh..thats how its in fiction.Every fictional series has this,be it marvel dc/anime and w/e else there is.

this isnt something new,its been like this since comic books were invented.

[Pantalones]

The impression I got wasn't so much "Beerus and Goku each have enough power to destroy the entire universe individually" so much as "the clash between Beerus and Goku is putting off such powerful shockwaves that if it keeps up like this, they'll destroy the whole universe rather than just destroying a few planets here and there." It definitely wasn't a "one attack destroys the whole thing" situation, considering the old Kaioshin thought it would take three of those shockwave-causing clashes to start the destruction of the universe. Either way, it seemed like a "chain reaction result of two powers on such a high level fighting without focusing on not causing collateral damage" thing, like a bigger-scale version of how DBZ characters always end up wrecking mountains and islands without even really trying to when they fight.

Goku after Whis' training not wrecking things as much (despite probably being at least somewhat stronger) actually makes sense. Against Beerus, Goku wasn't used to the SSJ God realm of power yet at all, and Whis is training him to not output so much excess power when he fights and reach a higher level of ki control. Everyone's always more destructive the first time they reach a level of power, then when they master that level of power there's less random destruction when they fight even though they're putting out higher levels of power -- that's just how DBZ works.

Freeza's training in Super also seems to involve learning to control his power, going by the whole "tormenting Tagoma to bring him near-death but not actually kill him" thing, so they pretty much already have the explanation for why Goku vs. Freeza might not risk destroying the universe: both of the fighters have learned how to control their power to a high enough level that that would only happen if they tried to make it happen now.

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Of course... if Goku fighting Beerus (6 vs... 7, right? wasn't it said that Beerus never used above 70% of his power against Goku?) puts out enough power to destroy the universe if the fight goes on long enough, that would imply Whis (15) is more than strong enough to do it himself if he wanted... O_O

[mikey4111]

The impression I got wasn't so much "Beerus and Goku each have enough power to destroy the entire universe individually" so much as "the clash between Beerus and Goku is putting off such powerful shockwaves that if it keeps up like this, they'll destroy the whole universe rather than just destroying a few planets here and there." It definitely wasn't a "one attack destroys the whole thing" situation, considering the old Kaioshin thought it would take three of those shockwave-causing clashes to start the destruction of the universe. Either way, it seemed like a "chain reaction result of two powers on such a high level fighting without focusing on not causing collateral damage" thing, like a bigger-scale version of how DBZ characters always end up wrecking mountains and islands without even really trying to when they fight.

Goku after Whis' training not wrecking things as much (despite probably being at least somewhat stronger) actually makes sense. Against Beerus, Goku wasn't used to the SSJ God realm of power yet at all, and Whis is training him to not output so much excess power when he fights and reach a higher level of ki control. Everyone's always more destructive the first time they reach a level of power, then when they master that level of power there's less random destruction when they fight even though they're putting out higher levels of power -- that's just how DBZ works.

Freeza's training in Super also seems to involve learning to control his power, going by the whole "tormenting Tagoma to bring him near-death but not actually kill him" thing, so they pretty much already have the explanation for why Goku vs. Freeza might not risk destroying the universe: both of the fighters have learned how to control their power to a high enough level that that would only happen if they tried to make it happen now.

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Of course... if Goku fighting Beerus (6 vs... 7, right? wasn't it said that Beerus never used above 70% of his power against Goku?) puts out enough power to destroy the universe if the fight goes on long enough, that would imply Whis (15) is more than strong enough to do it himself if he wanted... O_O

But Beerus is completely used to his power and he was wrecking things just as much as Goku was.

[Helios518]

The impression I got wasn't so much "Beerus and Goku each have enough power to destroy the entire universe individually" so much as "the clash between Beerus and Goku is putting off such powerful shockwaves that if it keeps up like this, they'll destroy the whole universe rather than just destroying a few planets here and there." It definitely wasn't a "one attack destroys the whole thing" situation, considering the old Kaioshin thought it would take three of those shockwave-causing clashes to start the destruction of the universe. Either way, it seemed like a "chain reaction result of two powers on such a high level fighting without focusing on not causing collateral damage" thing, like a bigger-scale version of how DBZ characters always end up wrecking mountains and islands without even really trying to when they fight.

Goku after Whis' training not wrecking things as much (despite probably being at least somewhat stronger) actually makes sense. Against Beerus, Goku wasn't used to the SSJ God realm of power yet at all, and Whis is training him to not output so much excess power when he fights and reach a higher level of ki control. Everyone's always more destructive the first time they reach a level of power, then when they master that level of power there's less random destruction when they fight even though they're putting out higher levels of power -- that's just how DBZ works.

Freeza's training in Super also seems to involve learning to control his power, going by the whole "tormenting Tagoma to bring him near-death but not actually kill him" thing, so they pretty much already have the explanation for why Goku vs. Freeza might not risk destroying the universe: both of the fighters have learned how to control their power to a high enough level that that would only happen if they tried to make it happen now.

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Of course... if Goku fighting Beerus (6 vs... 7, right? wasn't it said that Beerus never used above 70% of his power against Goku?) puts out enough power to destroy the universe if the fight goes on long enough, that would imply Whis (15) is more than strong enough to do it himself if he wanted... O_O

Didn't Whis in RoF movie say that if if SSGSS Goku & SSGSS Vegeta teamed up they only have a chance against fullpower Beerus? If that's true and is kept in Super's version of RoF that should make Beerus able to one shot the universe.

[buutenks]

Well from the new episode,seems goku and vegeta learned to control their ki even further.So i guess there;s your explanation.Goku vegeta and freeza are masters at ki control so they dont risk much collateral damage.

[Hellspawn28]

The shockwave punches to me seem like something like a chain reaction then raw power. Over time, the universe could be destroyed but not with real raw power. We have yet to see a casual galaxy or universe buster in the series. Someone can blow up the entire milky way galaxy with one ki blast with 1% of their power.

[oreos-splash]

i thought the idea of the shock waves getting stronger as it traveled further was pretty cool, reminded me of a big bang of sorts. So when Beerus goes all out he creates a Godly big bang

[Helios518]

The shockwave punches to me seem like something like a chain reaction then raw power. Over time, the universe could be destroyed but not with real raw power. We have yet to see a casual galaxy or universe buster in the series. Someone can blow up the entire milky way galaxy with one ki blast with 1% of their power.

SSJG Goku and Beerus made a blast that was going to destroy the universe with raw power but Beerus later nullified it so it wouldn't, and you make it look like they were trying to make those shockwaves but it was only a side effect to there fight.

[Saiyan007]

The shockwave punches to me seem like something like a chain reaction then raw power.

They were clashing together and shockwaves formed how us that not raw power

Over time, the universe could be destroyed but not with real raw power

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What do you mean by real raw power the Narrator already said they can destroy the universe what more do you need to question?

We have yet to see a casual galaxy or universe buster in the series. Someone can blow up the entire milky way galaxy with one ki blast with 1% of their power.

If Goku and Beerus could destroy the entire universe(containin tons of galaxies according to Jaco) when they're not at full power I'm pretty sure they could nuke 1 galaxy if they wanted too at casual levels

[Sora Saiyan]

They're definitely universal level. It's was stated by far too many sources (including the narrator).
Then later on Beerus nullifies the explosion that was going to end the universe which puts to bed him not being capable of it individually.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The thing is, even if they could do it if they kept up the fight, it would essentially be a suicide move. They would all die, and even Whis couldn't stop it.

[theherodjl]

After thinking about it, the DBverse is made of just four galaxies and an afterlife section comparable in size so they are universe busters...just of mini-universe size like DB's.
I guess the next thing on the agenda is to have the fights begin to quake all the other mini-universes in DB and then they would begin to be true universe busters.

[Helios518]

After thinking about it, the DBverse is made of just four galaxies and an afterlife section comparable in size so they are universe busters...just of mini-universe size like DB's.
I guess the next thing on the agenda is to have the fights begin to quake all the other mini-universes in DB and then they would begin to be true universe busters.

Jaco in Super Manga chapter 6 said there's tons of galaxies in a universe.