They should have kept elements of GT for Super

[Nex Carnifex]

Instead of this super saiyan God asspull they should have used the GT lore which says the original super saiyan was in the great ape form with golden hair. Beerus dreams of fighting the super saiyan but when he confronts Goku and sees the extent of his Super Saiyan 3 form he is dissapointed, saying that the Suoer Saiyan isn't as impressive as the legends make it out to be. When he's about to destroy earth they summon the dragon and he reveals in order to become a true super saiyan you must be in great ape form, so they use the wish to restore Goku's tail and then Vegeta creates an artificial moon allowing Goku to transform into a Golden Great Ape by using super saiyan whilst the great ape transformation takes place. However, he loses control and almost destroys earth which a mouth beam but Beerus deflects the attack and blasts the monkey into space where their titanic battle continues. Beerus eventually succeeds in incapacitating the golden monkey however, and is about to destroy the earth when Goku regains consciousness and takes control of the monkey in order to stop the attack, which results in his transformation to super saiyan 4. The tide of the battle is changed and the weakened Beerus struggles to keep up with the powered up Goku when suddenly the transformation wears off and Goku returns to his base form, and is defeated. However, Beerus agrees to spare the earth so that he can fight this god like super saiyan again after he trains.

[sintzu]

Beerus is begging for his life...

This would take so much away from Beerus' character that it would ruin him.

[Nex Carnifex]

Beerus is begging for his life...

This would take so much away from Beerus' character that it would ruin him.

Well fine he doesn't do that he accepts his fate until suddenly Goku reverts back to base form

[sintzu]

Well fine he doesn't do that he accepts his fate until suddenly Goku reverts back to base form

I mean he shouldn't lose at all, what's great about him is that he's so much more stronger then Goku even though he's found 2 new Ssj forms.

[Hellspawn28]

Fans hate rehashes and yet you want Super to rehash elements from GT. People like it when we get more original stuff. GT was a thing in the past, the series already move on from it already outside the video games.

[Nex Carnifex]

Fans hate rehashes and yet you want Super to rehash elements from GT. People like it when we get more original stuff. GT was a thing in the past, the series already move on from it already outside the video games.

So bringing Frieza back and then having the alternate universe fighters look like changlings, Saiyans, and androids aren't rehashes? Only non rehash stuff in DBS has been Beerus and the concept of multiple universes and super dragon balls.

Imo as far as word building goes DBS beats GT but as far as story and character design goes GT seems like a more natural direction. It's never even explained why exactly specifically 7 pure hearted Saiyans joining hands creates a "super saiyan God". There's just no explanation, what deity or evolutionary mutation established this phenomenon? It's just bad writing.

Making Oozaru and the Saiyans monkey features significant again and connecting it to the original legend of the super saiyan is less ass-pully and makes use of previously established story elements, ones that should have never been forgotten in the first place. Changing the super saiyan hair color and calling it a day is just lazy and comes out of nowhere.

[Doctor.]

Mmore powerful Dragon Balls being scattered all throughout the universe (well, two), and the dragon can grant any one wish, is a concept used in both series.

[Nex Carnifex]

Mmore powerful Dragon Balls being scattered all throughout the universe (well, two), and the dragon can grant any one wish, is a concept used in both series.

Well that's fine, but my biggest gripe is with super saiyan God and the lack of interesting villains besides Beerus. Everything else is just fillerish stuff, the Baby saga was brilliant in that it brought up the consequences of the Saiyams barbaric origins. Super 17 had a more interesting story was more cleverly implemented than Golden Frieza. The Shadow Dragons turned the dragon balls into an enemy, which was a fitting way to bring about conflict in a story called Dragon Ball, even if I thought that arc was weak aside from the concept. I think GT was flawed but the concepts in it were definitely more interesting and compelling than what Super had presented aside from Beerus.

[successoroffate]

It's not late yet. I think it's a safe bet to say that they would bring an element of GT To Super in the new Arc after Fukkatsu. In my opinion of course, I think it would be the SSJ 4 form.

[Hellspawn28]

Super 17 had a more interesting story was more cleverly implemented than Golden Freeza.

Super 17 saga just reuse the whole idea of villains escaping out of Hell from Fusion Reborn all over again. Just like Fusion Reborn, all of the villains just had cameos and no major role. Freeza's and Cell's team up just a repeat on what they already did in DBZ when Goku and Pikkon went to Hell together. Super 17 himself is just a more powerful version of normal #17 and can absorb ki just like #19. Not to mention the idea of a super cyborg was already done with Super #13 a few years earlier. Super 17 saga is not much better than Golden Freeza to be honest in my opinion.

[Nex Carnifex]

Super 17 had a more interesting story was more cleverly implemented than Golden Freeza.

Super 17 saga just reuse the whole idea of villains escaping out of Hell from Fusion Reborn all over again. Just like Fusion Reborn, all of the villains just had cameos and no major role. Freeza's and Cell's team up just a repeat on what they already did in DBZ when Goku and Paikuhan went to Hell together. Super 17 himself is just a more powerful version of normal #17 and can absorb ki just like #19. Not to mention the idea of a super cyborg was already done with Super #13 a few years earlier. Super 17 saga is not much better than Golden Freeza to be honest in my opinion.

The movies don't really fit into the timeline at all though so taking ideas from them seems like fair game to me, for example incorporating plan to irradicate the Saiyans into GT was one of its best choices imo.

[Lord Beerus]

I honestly think we need to stop clinging on to GT and just move on and come up with more original ideas. Or the very, interesting and unique spins on previous ideas. Battle Of Gods introduced so many great concepts and now Toriyama is following through with them with the Champa arc, and so far, it's immensely intriguing. Lets at least go from there and see how things pan out.

[Xeztin]

I like the Super Saiyan God concept, I mean it makes sense because if SSJ4 was achieved the same way as SSJ3 then Goku would probably die after about 3 minutes as it was rumored SSJ3 drains the users life force and can only be achieved while dead unless you use fusion. GT found a way around this by having the transformation create a new body, and SSG needs more than one Saiyan to achieve unless you're being trained by Whis. Beerus should never be defeated by Goku in my opinion, maybe equal but not stronger. The entire point of the God forms to me was to prevent the tragedy of going to Super Saiyan 20. I think it would get a bit ridiculous after going past the SSJ5 transformation. I couldn't imagine hearing Super Saiyan 6

[Vijay]

Came across a user posted "its still not too late".

Its over already. Super's headed in a direction unlinked to any previous DB incarnations

Gods, Bluper Saiyans, U6 whatnot

Asspulls & MOAR CHIKARA is all what TOEI MFkers are crying for.

Talk about neat plot, sprinkled deux machina, glorious defining character moments which made DB, Z and even GT (for some) as memorable works

[Doctor.]

Super's headed in a direction unlinked to any previous DB incarnations

I know Super isn't exactly unique or original in its plot points and concepts, but this comment makes it seem like you're completely against innovation.

[successoroffate]

Well, The SSJ 4 thing for me is that I am way too attached to it and therefore, I don't want to leave it. I would love to have the SSJ 4 Form canon someday. So, I am not saying it's a must (only in my head canon), but I would love it if ever happens.

Yet again, I am all in with Super, with the current direction the franchise is going I feel comfortable with the material and plot. I want more of Super. The SSJ 4 thing would be the icing on the cake personally.

[Vijay]

Super's headed in a direction unlinked to any previous DB incarnations

I know Super isn't exactly unique or original in its plot points and concepts, but this comment makes it seem like you're completely against innovation.

Constructive innovations as "growth" & developments of central & secondary cast of characters, progressively stronger foes, multiple SSJ stages, world-building (Chikyuu~Namek~Anoyochi~Kaioshin Realms) have always been parts of my adimiration & fascination towards AT

Regressive innovations as Goddofying 2 fan-favourites, introducing a ton of obnoxious/border-line annoying characters, removing every fabric of grounded, realistic, charming & unique nature of Dragin World JUST to pave way for MOAR Goddo Chikara deserves nothin less than a slipper shot

[Hellspawn28]

It still always confuses me that people hate the real SSjG form, but want a gold SSj4? I see fans that hate seeing the same over and over again, but they want the same thing again.

The movies don't really fit into the timeline at all though so taking ideas from them seems like fair game to me

It still happen before nevertheless. Super 17 saga came out like two years after Fusion Reborn. So fans watching it on TV was probably like "Villains coming back from Hell again? Why?". I think having all of your bad guys coming back from Hell to life feels like that they are out of ideas. That's why I hate when fan fiction bring back all of the villains from Hell again.

[Basaku]

It still always confuses me that people hate the real SSjG form, but want a gold SSj4? I see fans that hate seeing the same over and over again, but they want the same thing again.

SSJ4 design transforms most of the body thanks to gigantic perm and body fur. Even when u just swap the colors (to gold or white as in lots of fanart) it makes big visual impact on the entire character again regardless how small the character is on the screen, or whether the art would be done in black & white manga format panel, or from which angle you would look at the character. SSJG is still mostly just red hair while the few original details it has (that ain't even visible up close or from most angles) ain't best suited. Big kawaii pupils don't fit the artstyle Toriyama established for decades for this franchise, neither does the skinnier frame.

[FortuneSSJ]

No point. I want them to try new things.
God of Destruction, God Forms and Other Universes are more than welcome. That's the direction to go.