Are dramatic effects in Super cheap?

[coola]

It is not my intention to make another Super bashing topic, but, i find it funny, how over the top and dramatic some of scenes are, compared to movie counterparts:
- When Bulma was slapped by Beerus, it really looked like it killed her.
- Piccolo's death and Gohan reaction to it
- Earth explode, and we see many characters die, getting engulfed in fire
Not sure, if they were going to emulate Z, but i swear, it seems like they try really hard to make us feel sad, to care, biggest problem of it, however, is that most of us seen movies counterparts, and we know how it gonna end, and even then, for me at least, it seem they try way too hard to make some elements dramatic.

[Vijay]

Over-indulgence might be the apt term.

Moderation is key. Um, you see. As much as I hate doin it (for da sake of Supa fans) topics like this inevitably draws comparison. As for this topic "dramatic effects"

Rewind to Ep 229. The iconic segment which sealed Majin Vegeta/Goku clash.

The dramatic effects used in this episode would render any "dramatic" segment frm Supa as useless.

I'll list just few dramatic points. Use your cerebellum to recall these scenes, while ever-iconic BGM's of Kikuchi plays in the background

1. Majin Veggie (in all of his glory) grins sadistically post-killing 200+ Tenkaichi Budoukai fans

2. Goku questions Vegeta's motives. To which the MFker blasted another goddamn portion of Tenkaichi Budoukai.

3. Goku tries his best to resist the maddening urge to stop further murders. Gohan steps-in to convince Vegeta, to which the Majin blasted away with a stroke of his arm. Goku goes SSJ

4. Kaioshin criticizes Veggie to which he countered with a fantastic in-character view which has been burgeoning inside him ever since his defeat in Saiyan Saga.

5. Goku accepts his challenge. Kaioshin jumps in between. Goku (in a completly out-of-character moment) literally threatened Supreme God by chargin chi blast right in front his f**kin face. Basically sayin, f***off

Now, this covers abt 50% of the particular episode. The tension, drama, emotions (which mostly comes frm Vegeta) was done exceedingly well. It was not over-the-top. Yet, was subtle as well.

Now this level of direction & storyboardin is what Supa lacks & as a result looks cheap

[Dotogam]

It is not my intention to make another Super bashing topic, but, i find it funny, how over the top and dramatic some of scenes are, compared to movie counterparts:
- When Bulma was slapped by Beerus, it really looked like it killed her.
- Piccolo's death and Gohan reaction to it
- Earth explode, and we see many characters die, getting engulfed in fire
Not sure, if they were going to emulate Z, but i swear, it seems like they try really hard to make us feel sad, to care, biggest problem of it, however, is that most of us seen movies counterparts, and we know how it gonna end, and even then, for me at least, it seem they try way too hard to make some elements dramatic.

About each of them, With Bulma I don't hate it but it didn't need to be this dramatic. Does Bejita need that much to happen to Bulma to get that Rage Boost?
The Piccolo death was unnecessary in my opinion. Heck they didn't do anything with the journey to revive him. He was just revived. Almost as unnecessary as GT's version.
The Earth Exploding made sense to me because this would have happened in the movie they just didn't show it. It wasn't taking advantage of our heart like GT did with Piccolo but made actual sense in my opinion.

This is just my two cents however.

[Basaku]

They're just not well executed. Bulma's scenes didn't need such excessive slow motion, stuff like that works in actual death scenes, not 'just' a slap. Piccolo's death repeats the same mistakes GT did, if not worse.

Cheap dramatic effects can work and be very effective, if done right, with good buildup and at appropirate moments within the larger story structure.

[FortuneSSJ]

- The slap scene was indeed overdramatic. That kind of reaction would fit much better in One Piece.
- Piccolo death was only for shock value and hopefully a wake up cal for Gohan, it seems. When the same person dies for you twice, i think its time for you to stop and think what are you doing with your life.
- Earth desctrution was perfect. They probably did have the balls to show it like that in theaters

It is not my intention to make another Super bashing topic, but....

Eh?! How many you already did?!

[CosmicSaiyan]

I agree this is dragon ball were talking about, a story about happiness, miracles and comedy. Its not meant to be sad or have drama.

[FortuneSSJ]

I agree this is dragon ball were talking about, a story about happiness, miracles and comedy. Its not meant to be sad or have drama.

That changed long ago, when Piccolo Daimao appeared.

[Metalwario64]

Or even Tao Pai Pai. I can't believe anyone could think that Dragon Ball was always nothing bot a silly gag manga with no serious scenes whatsoever.

[Basaku]

I can't believe anyone could think that Dragon Ball was always nothing bot a silly gag manga with no serious scenes whatsoever.

Some fans think so demanding nothing but reunion specials, parties and slice of life driving school episodes, no actual stakes/tension/drama, no violence/blood cause "kids show" etc etc and Toriyama's been thinking that more and more since the Buu saga.

[Ssgvegito30]

I agree this is dragon ball were talking about, a story about happiness, miracles and comedy. Its not meant to be sad or have drama.

You clearly haven't watched DragonBallz, was saiyan saga, frieza saga android saga and cell saga and buu saga comedy arcs absolutly not they all were the most serious and sad arcs especially saiyan saga and frieza saga were the most saddest arcs of dbz excluding the slice of life episodes sure there were comedy and happy moments as well but mostly dbz was known to be too dark I don't know which fucking show your talking about but it's certainly not dbz!!!

[Cipher]

Super's definitely trading on some latter-day anime conventions the original anime series (and the recent movies) avoided: the worst offender being the over-the-top presentation of Bulma being slapped, which I think is handily the most embarrassing scene in the franchise.

It just seems like there's a lack of care, or lack of time to care, when it comes to direction.

[CosmicSaiyan]

I agree this is dragon ball were talking about, a story about happiness, miracles and comedy. Its not meant to be sad or have drama.

You clearly haven't watched DragonBallz, was saiyan saga, Freeza saga android saga and cell saga and buu saga comedy arcs absolutly not they all were the most serious and sad arcs especially saiyan saga and Freeza saga were the most saddest arcs of dbz excluding the slice of life episodes sure there were comedy and happy moments as well but mostly dbz was known to be too dark I don't know which fucking show your talking about but it's certainly not dbz!!!

Dragon balls alone are the plot device, no matter how many deaths we seen everything later was fine and dandy again. Infact dying in Dragon Ball is basically like a bonus, cause you get more powerful and learn some new techniques from characters like king kai and progress to a new adventure. But hey maybe its just that i watched too much TFS. Personally i still think that outside a few movies that we got during Z part, there wasent anything that i found sad in dragon ball, and it would be out of Toriyama's character to give dragon ball a more darker gritty storyline. Its just a silly shounen cartoon/comic.

[Black_Liger]

Bad example, Tfs has put some well placed drama, dark and tension on their parody.

Example:


Frieza Torturing Vegeta

Frieza: Stop hitting yourself

Vegeta: You're the one hitting me

Frieza: au Contraire Vegeta, you brought this upon yourself.

Also let's flashforward to when piccolo realised Cell had absorbed countless amounts of people to get stronger.

Piccolo: H-how, how many people?.

Cell:... Enough...

Those where dark and serious moments, DB is beautiful because it's got the whole package of lighthearteness, adventure, fighting, and drama.

in other words, thinking DB should have no drama and tension, is just as stupid as saying it should be only grittiness and drama. IMHO

[Chuquita]

Gokû at the end of episode 15 has probably been the biggest heart tug for me so far. It's harder for me for the BOG and F arcs because I've seen the movies and knew what was going to happen beforehand. Runner up would be the part of the earth-blows-up scene where 18 realizes what's happening and turns around as the screen goes white.