Are you satisfied with the story of Super so far?

[Nex Carnifex]

Forget the animation quality just look at the story so far, are you happy with it as an addition to the dragon ball canon or do you wish it never existed?

[Vijay]

As a light-weight, funny no-brainers entertainment? Kind off

On par with story-telling of Saiyan~Frieza/Cell Arcs? Hell no

Its good in its own league. But the "retellings" could've been handled better. Just like how I felt with Black Star DB & Shadow Dragons Arc.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Forget the animation quality just look at the story so far, are you happy with it as an addition to the dragon ball canon or do you wish it never existed?

Not at all. There just isn't anything about it that really feels like a continuation of the series in the Toei episodes. There just is no real effort for consistency or depth or tone. What they could have done was what they did with Digimon Tri, break the movie up into episodes, put in any retcons in-between them as extra content and the material should have been adapted from Toyotaro's manga. Then start with U6 so the mess Super's storytelling could have been avoided. Every sequence in the fights too were was poorly choreographed, and barely felt like it was progressing but generic flailing brawls like the Dragonball Hero mission promos and diversions to no build up or struggle within it only to have them be solved with the usual throw-away scenes resetting the conditions. Even so, if Toei is writing for it, it won't feel like it is what Toriyama would want or care to reference later in his own sources. Super's handling feels a lot like GT if not sloppier whether people want to admit it or not. The manga is just so much better.

[Cipher]

Super's contribution story-wise so far has just been serialized Toei-written interpretations of Toriyama's movie scripts, so ...

All I can say is that I quite like both movies, but their contribution to the overall narrative can be made or diminished by whatever ending this material has.

[Hellspawn28]

Retellings of the movies no. I do like the Slice of Life stuff and the U6 stuff sounds amazing. So yes.

[fadeddreams5]

Pretending the movies didn't exist, no, I am not satisfied. Disregarding the tone of the story, I don't like how ridiculous the scales have become in just one arc. The Buu saga had already jumped the shark with SSJ3 being felt across the galaxy, but now we have characters that can vaporize the entire universe if they fight. There's nowhere to go from here. Sure, Champa and Beerus fighting can threaten TWO universes. And, in the future, Goku fighting some other god may threaten the multiverse, but it all means very little because these are abstract things that have never even been explored before, so there's no attachment or real distinction between saying one universe is in danger and all of them are. They could have scaled it down and said the Earth was in danger because of their fight. I mean, shockwaves from punches and kicks have never caused a planet to be in peril before, so it would have made more sense in this context.

But that's just one issue I have.

I sort of like Beerus, I love Whis, I like the concepts of "God of Destruction" and twin/multiple universes, but I strongly dislike the stories that they've been featured in. I'm not a fan of the direction they went. The BoG arc was just... uninteresting. A god of destruction seeking a challenge based on a prophecy is definitely interesting, but the way it was executed was just bad. Like, everything about it, from the SSJG ritual, to the SSJG form, to the random inclusion of Pilaf, to the pointless janken episode, to the bombardment of slice of life, to the constant cutaways to gags, to Vegeta's unnecessary rage boost, to Vegeta's overall antics, and the overall lack of real tension from start to finish because of how Beerus himself comes off from the minute he's introduced.

I absolutely abhor everything about the F arc. There's not a goddamn saving grace.

As for Super's new arc... well, I came up with a multiversal tournament idea before this was a thing, so it's got my attention. Given the nature of the show, I'm not going in expecting much, but I'll definitely give it a chance before bashing it as I have the rest of the show.

[Vijay]

@ fadeddreams5

I pretty much agree with all of ur points. The whole prophecy aspect was handled much superiorly in Kung Fu Panda 2

Lord Shen instructed pandas to be wiped-out, so that the "black & white" creation would not defeat him

Yet the very path he choose (killing countless innocent lives, destroyin his ancestral home, plots to eradicate Kung Fu & conquering all of China" already sealed his destiny.

Add that to his long-awaited match (2 rounds) done with tongue-in-cheek.

Compared to that, everythin in BOG was done so inferiorly.

[sintzu]

BOG is a great introduction to the new adventures we'll be getting and Vegeta finally got to be a main character in an arc thanks to RF so overall I'm happy with what we've gotten as of now but I would've preferred if the comedy was toned down a bit.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

As far as retelling goes, not so mich. However, I have plenty of interest in Universe 6 and @fadeddreams5, you are taking DragonBall way to seriously than you actually should.

[trick007z]

Personally I think for atleast the first two arcs the movies are going to be viewed as the equivalent to the manga and the show arcs the watered down tv versions. The legacy of Super will be almost entirely determined by whether the unique material is any good or not. Anyways story wise it's fine. It hits all the beats, it added a few nice wrinkles here and there, some changes weren't as good. But overall it's what I expected when they said they were redoing the movies

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Yes. Hell to me it is already better than the Cell arc and Buu arc.
Simpy because we are no longer doing the random villain thing out of no where any more and we gotta wait for Goku or Gohan to save the day.
Not only that, but the story is VASTLY more interesting now that we are exploring other Aliens,Gods,Lore,History's,Empires,themes,realms,galaxies,Planets,Solor systems and universes.

[Doctor.]

The BoG arc is a slightly worse version of BoG, which had its fair share of problems to begin with despite being a good film, and the F arc is just a slightly better version of the absolutely godawful F film that seemingly gets worse every time I think about it. So, maybe? Dragon Ball never had good storytelling to begin with.

[Lionel]

Not really. Super so far has been a retread of already explored ground. If you prefer traditional DB esque simplicity and exaggerated gag humour then you're in luck; this show has plenty of it. The fight choreography and trite personalities are all the same as they were left. About the only changes made to the story have been moderately increasing the depth of the background lore and a half-hearted take on a somewhat less traditional type of villain who's most important trait involves not being taken seriously because he likes to stuff his face with food and threatens to kill everyone if he doesn't get his way like some petulant child. If you're looking for anything different or innovative about DB then this may not suffice. Super is more about perpetuating the status quo with a bit of newness sprinkled on top to give the illusion of being different.

[SansrivaaL]

Dragon Ball's story isnt something to write about at all. The only thing this series has that majority likes are the fights, the cool transformations, their aura and the teleporting speed like effects... so yeah not really satisfied, U6 arc sounds like a fanmade manga, nothing about it is surprising, the character designs are rehashes that got small changes.

Chanpa=fat beerus
Vados=fem whis
SSJB=blue hair and eyes ssj1
SSG= base mode with red hair basically kaioken
Golden Freeza=inverted Freeza
Frost=xenoverse character
Magento=Pooh
Cabba=Kid Gohan with pointy eyes
Hit=Piccolo+Cell fusion

[Lionel]

That's true. Still, DBZ could make an effort by pushing some inroads with its fights and characters. I've personally come to a point where hearing about characters being stronger than the ones we already have and Goku gushing over them has me going, "yeah, so what? Is that all these characters have to offer is bigger explosions and harder punches?" I'd rather see something different about their personalities or approach to fighting instead of having a higher power level for Goku and Vegeta to inevitably surpass. Even Yu Yu Hakusho is better in this regard because of its diverse set of fighting abilities and styles. The characters had more compelling backgrounds and interests, including villains like Toguro and Sensui. About the best thing that can be said of DBZ like you said is its flashy transformations and explosion heavy fighting.

[FortuneSSJ]

Yes.
BOG arc is better than BOG Movie.
ROF arc is better than ROF Movie. Could be much better if isn't wasn't rushed.
The new episodes (slice of life) range from ok to awesome.

So yeah, I'm satisfied with Super so far.

[MindForgedManacle]

I think the Battle of Gods movie was better than the BoG arc. However, I think that the Resurrection F arc was a little better than its movie incarnation. Overall, it has been too inconsistent for me to think it's much good. I don't simply mean the animation, I mean the whole gamut:

-Padded out scenes that annoy the viewer (remember Beerus' long ass rant to Gotenks about pudding? the stupidly long rock-paper-scissors match between Beerus & Oolong? etc.)
-Changes from the movie versions that make little narrative sense to me (why was the SSG legend removed???)
-Some aspects of the story should have been altered. Plot wise, it would have made so much sense for Vegeta to get to kill Frieza, especially when you consider one of the things he was yelling while he was Majin:

"Spend most of your life ruled by another, watch your race dwindle to a handful, and then tell me what could possibly matter more than your own strength!!"

Oh well... I'm hoping that things get better in the Universal Tournament Arc. :/

[Basaku]

Everything fadeddreams5's flawless post already had + weakest use of ensemble cast in the franchise history yet. Even GT had Trunks & Pan in major roles at the beginning. Toriyama's in better form than ever when it comes to lore and world building, but worst when it comes to writing for his characters.

[ZombieVito]

Yes.
BOG arc is better than BOG Movie.
ROF arc is better than ROF Movie. Could be much better if isn't wasn't rushed.
The new episodes (slice of life) range from ok to awesome.

So yeah, I'm satisfied with Super so far.

Exactly how I feel. Animation aside Super is superior to the films by a lot.

[Kaboom]

No, I'm really not satisfied. The movies cannot be ignored and were already amazing. But Super's attempts so far to adapt the movies have hurt more than they've helped.

Sure, they've fixed and improved some minor things. Like having Bulma's party on a cruise ship (I think that we've seen enough of Capsule Corp so this was a nice change of setting), showing some more of Beerus and Whis going about their usual business, discarding the wonky "1.3 million" line from Freeza, showing why/how someone (Tagoma) other than Freeza can contend with the Z-fighters, finally offering a little clarity on Gohan's depreciated power, and so forth.

But then Super's also introduced new problems. For one, there's a LOT of wasted time in typical Toei fashion. Pilaf and his crew served no purpose during the Beerus arc, unlike in Battle of Gods. Gotenks' brief appearance was a completely unnecessary waste. Ginyu's return and shenanigans in Tagoma's body ultimately had no point; everything he did could have been done by Tagoma himself. Goku's battles with both Beerus and Freeza were each drawn out at least an episode or two longer than they should have been. Super Saiyan God giving Goku weird regenerative abilities, which we'll probably never see again, seemed like nothing more than a ploy to create some false tension before the fight continued for another two episodes.

In addition, there's also a handful of narrative annoyances. Like the whole "the universe could be destroyed" spiel that keeps happening when two god-level people start to fight. It's needlessly overblown and unnecessary, and a hollow attempt to to introduce higher stakes that have no actual purpose. There's also the way they're bordering on messing up the timeline for the original manga's epilogue... at this rate Goku will have seen the gang plenty instead of "once 5 years ago between training trips," and I'm pretty sure Bulma should at least be pregnant with Bra by now.

But the worst offense, and one I've talked about before, is how Super has utterly gutted Super Saiyan God. In Battle of Gods it was laid out and treated as this amazingly special thing, with a new and strange power far above anything we'd seen before. It was something that Goku realized he was completely incapable of reaching through his own efforts, and it was a nice character moment for him to swallow his pride and accept help from others in order to achieve it. The massive scale and majesty of Super Saiyan God's power was even further emphasized in Super during the extended ritual scene when the sky was all illuminated while Goku was being transformed.

But now Super has tossed all that aside. Vegeta apparently gained the power of Super Saiyan God through "his own power." Super Saiyan God's strength is now something that you can just gain by some nonspecific training, which is balls-to-the-wall stupid, lazy, and self-contradictory to what's come before. With one tiny line of dialogue, Super has undermined everything that was special and unique about Super Saiyan God. With this one bit Super has finally managed to dip itself down in GT's level of nonsensical ass-pulls, all because Toriyama and/or Toei's writers couldn't even be bothered to come up with a half-decent plot device. *Spits in disgust*

The other stuff I could all forgive and put up with, especially if the movie adaptations were just Super's weak points and the Universe 6 arc ends up really good. But I don't think anything can make up for that last major flaw. Nothing short of a flashback clearly showing just what made Whis' training so fucking special, anyway.