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International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Tian » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:02 am

I'm a fan of international dubs of several stuff (Dragon Ball is one of them) and I like doing researchs about them (voice cast, staff, recording date) and I open this thread because in two of the dubs I heard, I noticed there are voice actors who sound similar to the japanese VAs. so far I found two and they are :
-Éric Legrand as Vegeta (French dub)
-Peter Secher Schmidt as Frieza (Danish dub)

Do you think it was by coincidence or it's just these voice actors wanted to give a faithful performance to their characters?

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Vijay » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:38 am

I feel Funi's VA of Mr. Satan sound dangerously similar to late Daisuki Gori.

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:51 pm

Tian wrote:I'm a fan of international dubs of several stuff (Dragon Ball is one of them) and I like doing researchs about them (voice cast, staff, recording date) and I open this thread because in two of the dubs I heard, I noticed there are voice actors who sound similar to the japanese VAs. so far I found two and they are :
-Éric Legrand as Vegeta (French dub)
-Peter Secher Schmidt as Freeza (Danish dub)

Do you think it was by coincidence or it's just these voice actors wanted to give a faithful performance to their characters?
While I agree that those voices sound very much like their Japanese counterparts (along with Chris Rager as Mr. Satan, who sounds almost identical to Daisuki Gori), I think there are plenty of other faithful performances. I personally have never felt it was necessary, when casting a dub, to find a "vocal clone" of the original Japanese actor. As long as their acting is a faithful emulation of the original Japanese actor's acting and their voice fits the character, it's OK with me if the voice isn't exactly the same. An excellent example of this would be Chris Ayres as Freeza. He uses a very different voice than Ryusei Nakao does for Freeza, but his acting is pretty much identical to Nakao's acting.

Having said that, it is of course very cool to find a dub voice that sounds like the original voice. I don't know her name, but the Korean voice for Goten as a child sounds identical to Masako Nozawa, like they just asked Nozawa to do her lines in Korean too.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Tian » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:58 pm

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Tian wrote:I'm a fan of international dubs of several stuff (Dragon Ball is one of them) and I like doing researchs about them (voice cast, staff, recording date) and I open this thread because in two of the dubs I heard, I noticed there are voice actors who sound similar to the japanese VAs. so far I found two and they are :
-Éric Legrand as Vegeta (French dub)
-Peter Secher Schmidt as Freeza (Danish dub)

Do you think it was by coincidence or it's just these voice actors wanted to give a faithful performance to their characters?
While I agree that those voices sound very much like their Japanese counterparts (along with Chris Rager as Mr. Satan, who sounds almost identical to Daisuki Gori), I think there are plenty of other faithful performances. I personally have never felt it was necessary, when casting a dub, to find a "vocal clone" of the original Japanese actor. As long as their acting is a faithful emulation of the original Japanese actor's acting and their voice fits the character, it's OK with me if the voice isn't exactly the same. An excellent example of this would be Chris Ayres as Freeza. He uses a very different voice than Ryusei Nakao does for Freeza, but his acting is pretty much identical to Nakao's acting.

Having said that, it is of course very cool to find a dub voice that sounds like the original voice. I don't know her name, but the Korean voice for Goten as a child sounds identical to Masako Nozawa, like they just asked Nozawa to do her lines in Korean too.
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:08 pm

Peter Kelamis' Goku sounded so similar to Masako Nozawa's Goku at times it was unbelievable. DBZ Movie 2, The World's Strongest, was the most amazing case of this.

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Valerius Dover » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:27 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5kslKyuD4Gw

I find that Big Green Kid Gohan sounds very similar to Masako Nozawa's voice. Not in acting ability, of course.
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by theoriginalbilis » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:14 pm

Chris Rager is probably the closest match to the Japanese VAs for Mr. Satan that I can remember.
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Post by Darkton » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:48 pm

Big Green Kaio's another good match for the Japanese audio.

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Adamant » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:43 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote: Having said that, it is of course very cool to find a dub voice that sounds like the original voice. I don't know her name, but the Korean voice for Goten as a child sounds identical to Masako Nozawa, like they just asked Nozawa to do her lines in Korean too.
A lot of the Korean voices are really similar to the originals. It's the only dub clips I've seen that actually made me think "This is Dragonball, only in a different language."
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:00 pm

Tian wrote:Are you a voice actor? because I find amazing your knowledge about the voice acting business.
Well thank you, I am a voice actor, but nobody important. I've done anime dubbing for small parts here and there (not for Dragon Ball), but my main line of work is commercials, promos, and non-broadcast narration...the non-glorious, unmemorable stuff. But hey, not complaining. It's a fun job.
Lord Beerus wrote:Peter Kelamis' Goku sounded so similar to Masako Nozawa's Goku at times it was unbelievable. DBZ Movie 2, The World's Strongest, was the most amazing case of this.
Peter Kelamis did a great job, and the voice he uses fits Goku wonderfully. However, I've always been surprised to hear people describe him as sounding similar to Nozawa. I mean, don't get me wrong, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I've just been a tad surprised to hear people express that particular opinion. Personally, I wouldn't mistake his voice for Nozawa's. Sometimes I think people just think he sounds like Nozawa because...

1) He was the highest-pitched of Goku's English voice actors.
2) He pronounced "Kaioken" correctly in the three uncut Ocean-dubbed movies.
3) His screams--which come the closest to sounding like Nozawa--have a somewhat gravelly texture very similar to Nozawa's screams.

So, to me, he sounds sort of like Nozawa with his screams, but other than a scream here and there, I've never thought his voice to be particularly like Nozawa's. Actually, I have yet to hear a dub voice for Goku that sounds particularly like Nozawa...in many ways, though, I think that adds to how special her performance is. It's an iconic voice. No one sounds like her (at least for her adult voices). :D
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Vijay » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:46 pm

I'm also quite fond of Peter Kelamis similarities with Nozawa

I mean, Sean might have portrayed Goku as Superman, but Kelamis honestly nailed the "Big kid impression". Especially his comedic portrayals in Buu Arc really remindse for Nozawa

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:56 pm

Vijay wrote:Especially his comedic portrayals in Buu Arc really remindse for Nozawa
To my knowledge, Kelamis never voiced Goku during the Buu arc. That was Sean Schemmel with the FUNimation cast, and Kirby Morrow with the Ocean cast.
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"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Darkton » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:15 pm

Vijay wrote:I'm also quite fond of Peter Kelamis similarities with Nozawa

I mean, Sean might have portrayed Goku as Superman, but Kelamis honestly nailed the "Big kid impression". Especially his comedic portrayals in Buu Arc really remindse for Nozawa
I'm pretty fond of Kai Sean. He can convincingly go back and forth between cheerful and serious, especially in his Super Saiyan form in the Freeza fight.

To keep this from going off-topic, I couldn't help but notice that Japanese Kai's Reacoom sounds pretty similar to Sabat's Orange Brick era Recoome, while the current Sabat Recoome sounds a bit more like the original Japanese one. I always imagined Japanese Reacoom translating as a high-pitched Russian, myself, like Nappa would be a low-pitch Russian.

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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Vijay » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:27 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Vijay wrote:Especially his comedic portrayals in Buu Arc really remindse for Nozawa
To my knowledge, Kelamis never voiced Goku during the Buu arc. That was Sean Schemmel with the FUNimation cast, and Kirby Morrow with the Ocean cast.
I came across Voice Actor Comparison of Eng Dub in Youtube.

It was Ep 276 where Goku & Vegeta escape from Super Buu's body carrying pods of their family & friends

In that scene, it repeated scenes twice to show different portrayals of Goku & Veggie (Sean & Sabat frm Funi) to other VA's

I thought it was Kelamis all along. Crap!

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Sean suffered frm corny lines/butchered script. Also, it took him some time to get into Goku's character.

In Frieza-Cell Arc, I felt he was swinging frm bad to average. It was different story in Buu Arc though. a lot more subtle & nuanced performance, which I've come to appreciate.

His works in GT, Kai & now Supa is flawless now imo. This comin frm.former Sean hater :D
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Super Sonic » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:34 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Tian wrote:I'm a fan of international dubs of several stuff (Dragon Ball is one of them) and I like doing researchs about them (voice cast, staff, recording date) and I open this thread because in two of the dubs I heard, I noticed there are voice actors who sound similar to the japanese VAs. so far I found two and they are :
-Éric Legrand as Vegeta (French dub)
-Peter Secher Schmidt as Freeza (Danish dub)

Do you think it was by coincidence or it's just these voice actors wanted to give a faithful performance to their characters?
While I agree that those voices sound very much like their Japanese counterparts (along with Chris Rager as Mr. Satan, who sounds almost identical to Daisuki Gori), I think there are plenty of other faithful performances. I personally have never felt it was necessary, when casting a dub, to find a "vocal clone" of the original Japanese actor. As long as their acting is a faithful emulation of the original Japanese actor's acting and their voice fits the character, it's OK with me if the voice isn't exactly the same. An excellent example of this would be Chris Ayres as Freeza. He uses a very different voice than Ryusei Nakao does for Freeza, but his acting is pretty much identical to Nakao's acting.
Kind of how in One Piece Kazuki Yao uses a high voice for Franky while Patrick Seitz uses a baritone voice, but they still both fit. Another example of not finding a "vocal clone" being better I saw recently in the X-Men anime. English cast doesn't sound like the Japanese cast, and frankly I think they're better.

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Post by sangofe » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:55 am

Caspar Phillipson as Goku (Danish dub).

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Post by AS_Saiyan » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:41 am

Avi Meir as Goku (Hebrew dub).
While talking he doesn't sound THAT MUCH as Nozawa, since he is a male, but in his screaming he does sound almost like her.
For example him doing the SS3 transformation.
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Post by Ajay » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:48 am

AS_Saiyan wrote:Avi Meir as Goku (Hebrew dub).
While talking he doesn't sound THAT MUCH as Nozawa, since he is a male, but in his screaming he does sound almost like her.
For example him doing the SS3 transformation.
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by Kakacarrottop » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:13 am

Vijay wrote:I'm also quite fond of Peter Kelamis similarities with Nozawa
I mean, Sean might have portrayed Goku as Superman, but Kelamis honestly nailed the "Big kid impression". Especially his comedic portrayals in Buu Arc really remindse for Nozawa
Lord Beerus wrote:Peter Kelamis' Goku sounded so similar to Masako Nozawa's Goku at times it was unbelievable.
The only time i recall Kelamis sounding like Nozawa was when he screamed "Kaio-Ken" in the second movie. Most of the time he sounded more like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo or something.

If he had used his Rolf voice from Ed, Edd, n Eddy then he would have sounded pretty close to her, but unfortunately FUNi told him to imitate Ian Corlett's Goku, so he instead went with some awkward teenage Canadian stoner voice.
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Re: International VAs who sound similar to Japanese VAs

Post by NitroEX » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:27 am

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Peter Kelamis' Goku sounded so similar to Masako Nozawa's Goku at times it was unbelievable. DBZ Movie 2, The World's Strongest, was the most amazing case of this.
Peter Kelamis did a great job, and the voice he uses fits Goku wonderfully. However, I've always been surprised to hear people describe him as sounding similar to Nozawa. I mean, don't get me wrong, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I've just been a tad surprised to hear people express that particular opinion. Personally, I wouldn't mistake his voice for Nozawa's. Sometimes I think people just think he sounds like Nozawa because...

1) He was the highest-pitched of Goku's English voice actors.
2) He pronounced "Kaioken" correctly in the three uncut Ocean-dubbed movies.
3) His screams--which come the closest to sounding like Nozawa--have a somewhat gravelly texture very similar to Nozawa's screams.

So, to me, he sounds sort of like Nozawa with his screams, but other than a scream here and there, I've never thought his voice to be particularly like Nozawa's. Actually, I have yet to hear a dub voice for Goku that sounds particularly like Nozawa...in many ways, though, I think that adds to how special her performance is. It's an iconic voice. No one sounds like her (at least for her adult voices). :D
Well Nozawa is a woman so I'd imagine sounding like her probably hasn't been the modus operandi for any English Goku actor. In Kelamis' case I think it was simply coincidence that he possessed a similar screaming ability to that of Nozawa, the director of the Pioneer dubs probably recognized that and took advantage of it by directing him in a very specific way. In terms of his speaking voice I obviously don't think he sounds like Nozawa at all however he does, in my opinion, have similar inflexions in his speaking voice that sort of resemble Nozawa's style of speaking. To give you an example, Corlett, Morrow and even Schemmel's style of speech would make them say a line such as "I don't know" by putting emphasis on the "I" part of the world, it's just the natural way they speak. Kelamis, however would typically have a higher inflexion on the latter end of a line so his read would put emphasis on the "know" rather than the I, in that way I do feel his inflexions are closer to Nozawa's as she also tends to speak in a similar fashion. This particular style of inflexion also lends itself well to Goku's naive personality but I realize a lot of the English fanbase tend to prioritize a cool sounding Goku to a Goku that sounds less intelligent or more child-like, Funimation are probably to blame for that.

Anyway, the casting of Kelamis turned out to be a happy accident for fans like myself because not only did he sound similar enough to Corlett for the transition between actors to be virtually unnoticeable but he also came with the added bonus of being a better screamer. It was win-win for me and I didn't find myself missing Corlett that much in the end which is rare for the recasting of a main speaking role.
Kakacarrottop wrote:The only time i recall Kelamis sounding like Nozawa was when he screamed "Kaio-Ken" in the second movie. Most of the time he sounded more like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo or something.
WHAT? You thinks Kelamis sounds like this? :crazy:

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