Daizenshuu translations

[TheUniverse]

I'm searching for any piece of information regarding the length of "Snake Way/Serpent Road" I saw that Herms translated a few Daizenshuus. Can anyone cite me scans of the actual pages regarding Snake Way, as well as Herms translations I can't seem to find them anymore

[Darkprince410]

Here's Herms' translation of the Serpent Road information.

Serpent Road
Area: Afterlife
Special Characteristics: A road that links the northern Kaio Planet with Enma Daio’s castle. It’s called the Serpent Road because it is shaped like a serpent. Its total length is approximately 1 million kilometers. If you lose your footing on this road, you will fall into Hell and will be unable to return.
Events: Enma Daio had previously crossed this road. It took Goku 6 months to cross this road going to Planet Kaio, and a day and a half to return. (Daizenshuu 4, p.72)
Anime: Serpent Princess’s castle is located along it. (Daizenshuu 3, p.162) Because it is swept by a garbage truck driven by an oni in charge of cleaning the road, there is not a single piece of trash on it.

Here's where the Oni that brought Goku to the head of Serpent Road mentions the legend about its length.

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[TheUniverse]

Here's Herms' translation of the Serpent Road information.

Serpent Road
Area: Afterlife
Special Characteristics: A road that links the northern Kaio Planet with Enma Daio’s castle. It’s called the Serpent Road because it is shaped like a serpent. Its total length is approximately 1 million kilometers. If you lose your footing on this road, you will fall into Hell and will be unable to return.
Events: Enma Daio had previously crossed this road. It took Goku 6 months to cross this road going to Planet Kaio, and a day and a half to return. (Daizenshuu 4, p.72)
Anime: Serpent Princess’s castle is located along it. (Daizenshuu 3, p.162) Because it is swept by a garbage truck driven by an oni in charge of cleaning the road, there is not a single piece of trash on it.

Here's where the Oni that brought Goku to the head of Serpent Road mentions the legend about its length.

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Would you happen to know if other data books repeat this info, also could you cite hem to Herms's thread where he translated those. one final thing, who do I talk to about translating a piece of material, that's not been translated. I own "Dragonball Landmark" and need help translating a page from it.

[Darkprince410]

I don't remember offhand if any other guidebook or interview lists that number for Serpent Road. Here is a compilation of a lot of the various translations he's done of the Daizenshuu information, with the particular Serpent Road information coming from the Geographical Dictionary section of Daizenshuu 7.

As for translating, there's the Translation Request thread.

[Speedster]

The length of the snake way is problematic as its traverse time by Goku is inconsistent with the feats that were shown up to that point in the series. It took Goku 6 months (4 if you count sleeping) to travel 1 million Km yet Taopaipai could travel 2400km in less than 15 minutes.

Toriyama had been notorious when it came to quantifying the capabilities of his characters with numbers. For example Arale in Dr Slump was shown running around the earth 3 times as morning exercise before school. That is a speed of at least Mach 60. And that was supposedly her morning walk. She was also able to run and when hitting someone to send them flying to the moon or even to the Sun something that requires at least light speed given the time frames. She was also able to throw a big rock and destroy the moon. And despite all these feats what was Arale’s quoted travelling top speed during a race? It was once quoted to be Mach 3 and another time Mach 1. Also one time when she was playing baseball the speed of the thrown ball was quoted to be Mach 1.5 (yeah sure for someone who can throw a rock and destroy the moon…). Now why do I mention this? For you to realise that Toriyama is predominantly a gag manga artist and his numbers don't go hand in hand with the feats he envisions. And in fact when he drew the map of the Dragonball cosmos the snakeway that is supposedly only 1million km was as long as a quarter of the universe. Of course you might say it was not drawn to scale but you get the point. Clearly Toriyama’s intention was the road to be much longer than a mere 2.5x the distance from the Earth to the moon (a distance that Goku travelled with the Nyoibo (power pole) in less than 5 minutes).

[Hitiro]

The length of the snake way is problematic as its traverse time by Goku is inconsistent with the feats that were shown up to that point in the series. It took Goku 6 months (4 if you count sleeping) to travel 1 million Km yet Taopaipai could travel 2400km in less than 15 minutes.

Toriyama had been notorious when it came to quantifying the capabilities of his characters with numbers. For example Arale in Dr Slump was shown running around the earth 3 times as morning exercise before school. That is a speed of at least Mach 60. And that was supposedly her morning walk. She was also able to run and when hitting someone to send them flying to the moon or even to the Sun something that requires at least light speed given the time frames. She was also able to throw a big rock and destroy the moon. And despite all these feats what was Arale’s quoted travelling top speed during a race? It was once quoted to be Mach 3 and another time Mach 1. Also one time when she was playing baseball the speed of the thrown ball was quoted to be Mach 1.5 (yeah sure for someone who can throw a rock and destroy the moon…). Now why do I mention this? For you to realise that Toriyama is predominantly a gag manga artist and his numbers don't go hand in hand with the feats he envisions. And in fact when he drew the map of the Dragonball cosmos the snakeway that is supposedly only 1million km was as long as a quarter of the universe. Of course you might say it was not drawn to scale but you get the point. Clearly Toriyama’s intention was the road to be much longer than a mere 2.5x the distance from the Earth to the moon (a distance that Goku travelled with the Nyoibo (power pole) in less than 5 minutes).

It's not really inconsistent. Exponential bursts of energy are much more lenient on a persons power supply than continuous drains. I would also imagine it takes a lot more energy for flight as well than launching something and riding on it. A character could build their energy back up if they are riding something rather than what Goku was doing along Snake Way which was to continuously burn his energy as he crossed it and not having a chance to replenish it. It would be akin to this:

Tao Pai Pai: 100%
Tao Pai Pai(Launches Pillar and jumps on it to ride it): 1%
Tao Pai Pai(After riding it for 10-15 mins): 100%

Goku: 100%
Goku(1/4 Snake Way):75%
Goku(1/2 Snake Way): 50%
Goku(3/4 Snake Way): 25%
Goku(At end of Snake Way): 1%

[Speedster]

It's not really inconsistent. Exponential bursts of energy are much more lenient on a persons power supply than continuous drains.

Goku travelling snakeway in just a day in his return journey as opposed to 6 months and Super Gotenks travelling around the earth several times to demonstrate the rise in his power level prove that the higher the power level the faster your travelling speed becomes.

I would also imagine it takes a lot more energy for flight as well than launching something and riding on it.

Even your own numerical example says exactly the opposite...

A character could build their energy back up if they are riding something rather than what Goku was doing along Snake Way which was to continuously burn his energy as he crossed it and not having a chance to replenish it. It would be akin to this:

Tao Pai Pai: 100%
Tao Pai Pai(Launches Pillar and jumps on it to ride it): 1%
Tao Pai Pai(After riding it for 10-15 mins): 100%

Goku: 100%
Goku(1/4 Snake Way):75%
Goku(1/2 Snake Way): 50%
Goku(3/4 Snake Way): 25%
Goku(At end of Snake Way): 1%

Perhaps you don't know about conversation of energy. For example aircrafts do not need to continuously burn fuel when flying. If they did they would be constantly accelerating increasing their speed. Instead upon reaching a certain speed they choose to just burn as much as they need to counter air resistance. So all the kinetic energy A they need is equal to that used to accelerate at a certain speed and then supplying the energy lost due to "air friction". Now this is equivalent to launching an aircraft at an extremely high initial velocity such that at the moment of launching the aircraft possesses kinetic energy equal to A and then stopping the engines. Then despite the air resistance slowing the aircraft down, the aircraft would still make the same journey within the same time interval as in the first scenario. The speed profiles will be different but the average speed (distance/time) will be the same. But here is the important bit. We know Tao's total flight time and the distance travelled during that time. We are not comparing Tao's launching (initial) speed to Goku's average speed. We are comparing Tao's average speed to Goku's average speed. And it is higher...

Taopaipai's average speed=2400km/15mins=9600km/hr
Goku's average speed=1million km/120 days=347km/hr (and I even assume Goku resting/sleeping for 2 months)

For Taopaipai to jump onto that pillar it means he jumped at a speed at least as high as the pillar itself. And riding the pillar is non-sense to begin with as it was completely unnecessary-Tao could just jump to Goku's location on his own as by jumping at an equal or higher speed than the pillar meant that Tao already launched himself with all the kinetic energy and momentum he needed to get to Goku’s location. And even without the pillar the jump would still be a single thrust, not continuous propulsion so he would still have time to replenish his stamina as per your suggestion (as if that were ever an issue - Tao was never shown to be tired at the slightest after throwing and jumping onto the pillar but anyway).

Either way you slice it follows that Goku at the BoZ who is much more powerful than Tao could either jump at high speeds like Tao and travel snakeway in probably just 2 jumps in less than an hour or propel himself to an equivalent average speed so that the total fligh time would be equal. Of course seeking physics logic in Dragonball is hopeless as it is a gag manga not giving a flying f**k about physics, not just real-world physics but not even its own “manga physics”. What stopped Goku from throwing something like a tree trunk and ride if that was somehow more effective than jumping on his own? Did just Toriyama choose to waste our time with an ultra-shitty plot device or did he just got the number wrong as snakeway was later depicted in the Dragonball cosmos drawing that Toriyma himself made to span a quarter of the universe? Or did Toriyama just forget about Taopaipai as in this interview?