Do you get bothered seeing dub names?

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Oh, the word filter is removed? Awesome

[KentalSSJ6]

Not particularly. It's only really "Hercule" that bugs me because... Well, it's not even remotely close to being a translation. It's just made up nonsense.

Pretty sure its just a play on Hercules.

[Gaffer Tape]

What is the "obvious reason" I'm missing for this compared with "Tenshinhan"...?

Because it's far easier to say and reference in a casual conversation, like he said. Ten wouldn't work because it's a number. Tenshinhan is much more of a mouthful and it's not a kind of name people are used to. Tien works in those aspects.

I've never understood the rationale that Tenshinhan is somehow a mouthful. I mean, it's three syllables. Piccolo has three syllables. Vegeta has three syllables. But I never hear anyone say those are mouthfuls. I never see anyone propose they alter them to Piec or Vieg for ease of conversation.

[VegettoEX]

I've never understood the rationale that Tenshinhan is somehow a mouthful. I mean, it's three syllables. Piccolo has three syllables. Vegeta has three syllables. But I never hear anyone say those are mouthfuls. I never see anyone propose they alter them to Piec or Vieg for ease of conversation.

Agreed. If you're going to say "Kamehameha", don't tell me "Tenshinhan" is difficult to say.

[Kamiccolo9]

"Frieza" is the only one that bothers me. "ei" and "ie" words can be a hassle to me sometimes. That's actually my main reason for preferring "Freeza". Also I like it better when it sounds like it looks. It's free-za, not fry-za after all.

I never understood this. There are plenty of oft-used words I English that have the "ee" sound and use the "ie" spelling. Believe and relief/relieve are the first that come to mind. English is just weird like that.

[rereboy]

What is the "obvious reason" I'm missing for this compared with "Tenshinhan"...?

Because it's far easier to say and reference in a casual conversation, like he said. Ten wouldn't work because it's a number. Tenshinhan is much more of a mouthful and it's not a kind of name people are used to. Tien works in those aspects.

I've never understood the rationale that Tenshinhan is somehow a mouthful. I mean, it's three syllables. Piccolo has three syllables. Vegeta has three syllables. But I never hear anyone say those are mouthfuls. I never see anyone propose they alter them to Piec or Vieg for ease of conversation.

While it's not a mouthful as big as, say, Makankōsappō, it's still more of a mouthful than simply Tien, and the sound is more awkward to westerners than vegeta or piccolo.

Whether the added difficulty is not relevant enough to justify sacrificing the original name, and whether the choices of the dub are always coherent, that's another discussion alltogether. But the fact that it's less of a mouthful and less awkward can't really be denied.

Agreed. If you're going to say "Kamehameha", don't tell me "Tenshinhan" is difficult to say.

Same answer as above.

[ekrolo2]

"Frieza" is the only one that bothers me. "ei" and "ie" words can be a hassle to me sometimes. That's actually my main reason for preferring "Freeza". Also I like it better when it sounds like it looks. It's free-za, not fry-za after all.

I never understood this. There are plenty of oft-used words I English that have the "ee" sound and use the "ie" spelling. Believe and relief/relieve are the first that come to mind. English is just weird like that.

Plus, regardless of the ie in the dub spelling, everyone pronounces it as if it's spelt like free-za anyhow.

[Herms]

If you're going to say "Kamehameha", don't tell me "Tenshinhan" is difficult to say.

"Kaio-ken" is in that category as well. And "Majin Boo", I suppose. Heck, the Funi dub kept "Murasaki" as-is. Likewise Mutaito (who they typically call "Master Mutaito", for extra length). And although it's mostly English words, "Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack" is quite a mouthful. Dub terms like "Hyperbolic Time Chamber and "Instant Transmission" are long-ish as well.

Elsewhere in geekdom, Star Wars fans handle names like "Obi-Wan Kenobi" and "Qui-Gon Jinn" without breaking a sweat.

If the Funi dub had stuck with "Tenshinhan" and "Muten Roshi", no dub fan would think twice about those names, and would effortlessly use them in conversation. It's 100% a matter of what you are or are not used to.

(Although with all that said, Hawaii's Kamehameha Highway is indeed typically shortened to "Kam Highway" in everyday conversation...with the "Kam" pronounced like the first syllable in "camera", just because.)

Not particularly. It's only really "Hercule" that bugs me because... Well, it's not even remotely close to being a translation. It's just made up nonsense.

Pretty sure its just a play on Hercules.

Yes, it's French for "Hercules", and originates from the French DBZ dub. Amusingly enough, they weren't actually worried about the name "Satan" offending people...instead, the problem was that they had already used "Satan" to refer to Piccolo (as a way of translating his daimaou/"great demon king" title).

[Deathbringer]

I think the one I hate the most is definitely Hercule whilst others I just prefer the way they look when spelt, mainly Frieza and Buu I always thought that Freeza and Boo just look better written down even though they're pronounced the same. There are some others that come to mind like Jeice sounding more like "chase" than "cheese". Also I think that "Kurilin" would be an interesting way to spell his name but that'll never catch on.

[ShadowBardock89]

"Frieza" is the only one that bothers me. "ei" and "ie" words can be a hassle to me sometimes. That's actually my main reason for preferring "Freeza". Also I like it better when it sounds like it looks. It's free-za, not fry-za after all.

I never understood this. There are plenty of oft-used words I English that have the "ee" sound and use the "ie" spelling. Believe and relief/relieve are the first that come to mind. English is just weird like that.

In German, it IS pronounced with the "ee" sound because the ie is not pronounced like "i"
I think whoever made this change was going for this, for whatever reason.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I do get bothered a little bit, but at least now i can see who i can take serously.

No offense, but if you're really going to dismiss fellow fans over a matter as small as that, then it makes it pretty hard to take you seriously too.

[Kuririn Fan]

I do get bothered a little bit, but at least now i can see who i can take serously.

No offense, but if you're really going to dismiss fellow fans over a matter as small as that, then it makes it pretty hard to take you seriously too.

Ok. I was joking, but also kinda not.

[Ajay]

I do get bothered a little bit, but at least now i can see who i can take serously.

No offense, but if you're really going to dismiss fellow fans over a matter as small as that, then it makes it pretty hard to take you seriously too.

Ok. I was joking, but also kinda not.

You come on way too strong.

[Tyro]

I do get a little annoyed when I see English dub names on Kanzenshuu. I feel like everyone is adult enough and knowledgeable enough by now to know why we shouldn't use names that were changed for no reason. I know, I know, "nostalgia" and "daily use", and whatever else, but what's wrong is wrong. The characters have names, people!

[Gyt Kaliba]

I do get a little annoyed when I see English dub names on Kanzenshuu. I feel like everyone is adult enough and knowledgeable enough by now to know why we shouldn't use names that were changed for no reason. I know, I know, "nostalgia" and "daily use", and whatever else, but what's wrong is wrong. The characters have names, people!

You're not wrong, but at the same time, people are gonna be used to what they're used to. Sometimes even if they know and admit it's wrong. And that's okay - sometimes it'll lead to weird hang ups, but if a name is in official use in even a version of something, and that's the version a person is most used to, then there should be absolutely no shame in them using said names. Attempting to give them shame for it is only going to push them even further from ever wanting to check out said original version. It's certainly what kept me out of it for the longest time.

That and it's hardly only a Dragon Ball problem (albeit particularly prevalent in this fanbase). I still cannot bring myself to call him Eggman most of the time. To me, he's Robotnik.

[ekrolo2]

Attempting to give them shame for it is only going to push them even further from ever wanting to check out said original version. It's certainly what kept me out of it for the longest time.

I wish there was a thumbs up button so I could like this. Even now when I pretty much know all the original names (except the Shadow Dragons, those guys always throw me for a loop) some of the snobby elitism of "purists" makes me cringe worse than comic book movies attempts at romances.

[Kuririn Fan]

Attempting to give them shame for it is only going to push them even further from ever wanting to check out said original version. It's certainly what kept me out of it for the longest time.

I wish there was a thumbs up button so I could like this. Even now when I pretty much know all the original names (except the Shadow Dragons, those guys always throw me for a loop) some of the snobby elitism of "purists" makes me cringe worse than comic book movies attempts at romances.

Just call them Evil Dragons and each dragon is one Dragon Ball. The Final enemy is One Star Dragon, not Ultra Omega ShenRon.
Just like Oob is not Majoob when he became one with Mr Boo, he is still Oob or Super Oob if you will.

[Ss5Troten]

If you're going to say "Kamehameha", don't tell me "Tenshinhan" is difficult to say.

(Although with all that said, Hawaii's Kamehameha Highway is indeed typically shortened to "Kam Highway" in everyday conversation...with the "Kam" pronounced like the first syllable in "camera", just because.)

Yes, it's French for "Hercules", and originates from the French DBZ dub. Amusingly enough, they weren't actually worried about the name "Satan" offending people...instead, the problem was that they had already used "Satan" to refer to Piccolo (as a way of translating his daimaou/"great demon king" title).

@VegettoEX Exactly. It seems silly to accept incorrect name only because you didn't grow up with them. Especially as they aren't hard to say in comparison to, as Herms and yourself mentioned, basic attacks you say everyday as a US fan.

@Herms how funny lol, given the history of the name that's a funny thing, but I can understand casual convo. Which brings me to the split point that, here on Kanzenshuu, you should use the correct name as often as possible (I have slipped a couple times) as it's not only casuals here, a relative portion are conessieur. It's just correct and not difficult. The other half though, is in conversation I use what I know the other party will understand for brevity sake. If it's a friend I often use correct translation and explain who that is to them if they aren't familiarized yet.

@KentalSSJ6 I didn't know it originated from that dub, nor did I know that last bit! Thank you for the information!

Though I know this isn't the topic per se, it's related: I believe I learned from VegettoEX himself back in the DaizEX days maybe 7 years ago now that Satan's name is Mark. Almost 2 years ago on Kanzenshuu I learned that Lapis and Lazuli (or Stone and Blue) were 17 and 18's given names as humans. Why do we not refer to all these characters as such? 17 and 18 are designations and official so I understand not using them, but still, and Satan is just a "stage name" of sorts for Mark is it not? His name isn't Mark Satan IIRC?

[VegettoEX]

Though I know this isn't the topic per se, it's related: I believe I learned from VegettoEX himself back in the DaizEX days maybe 7 years ago now that Satan's name is Mark. Almost 2 years ago on Kanzenshuu I learned that Lapis and Lazuli (or Stone and Blue) were 17 and 18's given names as humans. Why do we not refer to all these characters as such? 17 and 18 are designations and official so I understand not using them, but still, and Satan is just a "stage name" of sorts for Mark is it not? His name isn't Mark Satan IIRC?

For me, that would kinda be like referring to "Goku" as "Kakarrot" all the time:

• Honestly, that just seems kinda silly
• Unlike "Kakarrot", the names of "Mark" and "Lapiz/Lazuli" are not pieces of widespread information that everyone knows, and cannot be learned simply by reading/watching the series; you're more likely to confuse someone by using those names (which is a separate issue from calling "Tenshinhan" as "Tien"; don't confuse the issue, and don't try to draw a parallel there)

Also, his name is not "Mark Satan". As you've noted, "Mr. Satan" is just his stage name. His name is simply "Mark". As Videl notes in the series, it's strange for people to have surnames (which she remarks due to "Son Gohan" having such a name). Much like "Dr. Brief" is likely just a guy named "Brief" that happens to be a doctor and his children don't have "Brief" as a surname, "Mark" is simply "Mark".

[ekrolo2]

Attempting to give them shame for it is only going to push them even further from ever wanting to check out said original version. It's certainly what kept me out of it for the longest time.

I wish there was a thumbs up button so I could like this. Even now when I pretty much know all the original names (except the Shadow Dragons, those guys always throw me for a loop) some of the snobby elitism of "purists" makes me cringe worse than comic book movies attempts at romances.

Just call them Evil Dragons and each dragon is one Dragon Ball. The Final enemy is One Star Dragon, not Ultra Omega ShenRon.
Just like Oob is not Majoob when he became one with Mr Boo, he is still Oob or Super Oob if you will.

Omega is too cool of a name for me not to call him that by default though