Universe 6's War?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

So Frost seams pretty desperate to get Champa's help. He says he NEEDS it to end the war. It makes me wonder who's so dang strong that Frost needs help to beat and end the war? Maybe Vados couldn't recruit him/her/them because they're evil and wouldn't co-operate?

There HAS TO BE someone strong on the other side of the war if Frost is wasting his time with this tournament. I think when Vegeta visits Cabe's homeworld we'll get to see who that is?

Any thoughts?

[Kamiccolo9]

Or....maybe it's a war that can't be solved by blowing shit up? Kinda like what's happening all over the world right now? Not everything has to have some super strong guy behind it.

[ekrolo2]

There's no mention of a powerful adversary anywhere, just that there's a war. Given the kind of guy Frost appears to be, it could just be a guerilla movement he's fighting. With Freeza, tactics like that wouldn't work since he'd just blow the planet up, but Frost seems to value people's live and he can't just blow up a city to get at the enemy if there's innocent men, women and children there too.

Why would he need Champa? It's probable Champa has a nasty reputation in his universe like Beerus and if Frost just told people a God of Destruction is backing him up, I imagine a LOT of Frosts enemies would surrender on the spot.

[DanielSSJ]

If there is a big bad guy heading the other side of the war, I think it'd be cool if it were the evil U6 version of Monaka, aka the guy who can give Beerus a run for his money.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

If there is a big bad guy heading the other side of the war, I think it'd be cool if it were the evil U6 version of Monaka, aka the guy who can give Beerus a run for his money.

Maybe he's a big shot Namekian? Maybe Nameks over there are evil...like how Saiyans are good. Universe 6's King piccolo, being a REAL Demon! >:P

[Doctor.]

Why would he need Champa? It's probable Champa has a nasty reputation in his universe like Beerus and if Frost just told people a God of Destruction is backing him up, I imagine a LOT of Frosts enemies would surrender on the spot.

I don't think so. Champa said it was a shame if Frost lost. It looked like he genuinely wanted to help him out, seems like a much better guy than Beerus.

[ekrolo2]

Why would he need Champa? It's probable Champa has a nasty reputation in his universe like Beerus and if Frost just told people a God of Destruction is backing him up, I imagine a LOT of Frosts enemies would surrender on the spot.

I don't think so. Champa said it was a shame if Frost lost. It looked like he genuinely wanted to help him out, seems like a much better guy than Beerus.

True but his job is still to destroy things, even Vados tells him not to say such things given his position. Unless Champa goes out of his way not to blindly destroy things, him just showing up at a press conference to say "Yo, I support Frost!" would make a helluva a lot of bad guys shit their pants.

[Lord Beerus]

Or....maybe it's a war that can't be solved by blowing shit up? Kinda like what's happening all over the world right now? Not everything has to have some super strong guy behind it.

Nah. Dragon Ball has never been diplomatic before, whether it was under Toriyama's reign or not. Toriyama is not the sort of person who interested in creating stories that have parallels to real life world situations. Every conflict in the franchise has always been settled by who can punch the hardest.

[ekrolo2]

Or....maybe it's a war that can't be solved by blowing shit up? Kinda like what's happening all over the world right now? Not everything has to have some super strong guy behind it.

Nah. Dragon Ball has never been diplomatic before, whether it was under Toriyama's reign or not. Toriyama is not the sort of person who interested in creating stories that have parallels to real life world situations. Every conflict in the franchise has always been settled by who can punch the hardest.

True, but we already have stuff like him apparently helping out children affected by conflicts across the universe in post-war efforts. That's already drawing parallels to what's going on in other places in the real world. It's most definitely not intentional but it is interesting we're seeing some more real-world consequences to these guys fighting.

[Kamiccolo9]

Or....maybe it's a war that can't be solved by blowing shit up? Kinda like what's happening all over the world right now? Not everything has to have some super strong guy behind it.

Nah. Dragon Ball has never been diplomatic before, whether it was under Toriyama's reign or not. Toriyama is not the sort of person who interested in creating stories that have parallels to real life world situations. Every conflict in the franchise has always been settled by who can punch the hardest.

True, but we already have stuff like him apparently helping out children affected by conflicts across the universe in post-war efforts. That's already drawing parallels to what's going on in other places in the real world. It's most definitely not intentional but it is interesting we're seeing some more real-world consequences to these guys fighting.

All writing has real-life parallels, whether intentional or not. Dragon Ball has social-political themes as well, even if they are buried more deeply than the mystical ones. Toriyama was not writing in a vacuum.

[ekrolo2]

Nah. Dragon Ball has never been diplomatic before, whether it was under Toriyama's reign or not. Toriyama is not the sort of person who interested in creating stories that have parallels to real life world situations. Every conflict in the franchise has always been settled by who can punch the hardest.

True, but we already have stuff like him apparently helping out children affected by conflicts across the universe in post-war efforts. That's already drawing parallels to what's going on in other places in the real world. It's most definitely not intentional but it is interesting we're seeing some more real-world consequences to these guys fighting.

All writing has real-life parallels, whether intentional or not. Dragon Ball has social-political themes as well, even if they are buried more deeply than the mystical ones. Toriyama was not writing in a vacuum.

I'm aware, it's just that Dragon Ball usually doesn't really dwell on any of the nastier implications like Goku's selfishness, the fact that a huge amount of extra-terrestrials are blatantly amoral pricks, Vegeta's massive body count,...

That's why I was surprised by stuff like war orphans getting brought up at all and why I like Super's willingness to show that Beerus' nastier side that the movies steered clear of.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I think, and well hope it's because the guy is strong. Because I think if he wasn't a set level of power, frost could rush in and save everyone and arrest the bad guys. The speed these people have is insane.

[Kamiccolo9]

I meant that as a continuation of your line of thought, not as a rebuttal. Sorry if it came across that way.

I've been thinking about doing an analysis of Dragon Ball from a historical standpoint, similar to Kunzait's wuxia thread. I'm just concerned that most of the replies will be from people with no grasp of history or literature accusing me of putting to much thought into it.

[ekrolo2]

I meant that as a continuation of your line of thought, not as a rebuttal. Sorry if it came across that way.

I've been thinking about doing an analysis of Dragon Ball from a historical standpoint, similar to Kunzait's wuxia thread. I'm just concerned that most of the replies will be from people with no grasp of history or literature accusing me of putting to much thought into it.

That or a bunch of history snob who'll nit pick everything

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I meant that as a continuation of your line of thought, not as a rebuttal. Sorry if it came across that way.

I've been thinking about doing an analysis of Dragon Ball from a historical standpoint, similar to Kunzait's wuxia thread. I'm just concerned that most of the replies will be from people with no grasp of history or literature accusing me of putting to much thought into it.

Don't worry about people saying you're putting to much thought into a show. It's your life do what you like, and if it hurts nobody have no shame in it!

I think this might be what makes Universe 6 have it's first, if only major plot because I do believe goku and friends are gonna go there. Let's just hope Toei shows it and doesn't have vegeta say to bulma "well visiting universe 6 was great. gonna go back to training." maybe frost's problem will be the big villain. who knows?

[Kamiccolo9]

I meant that as a continuation of your line of thought, not as a rebuttal. Sorry if it came across that way.

I've been thinking about doing an analysis of Dragon Ball from a historical standpoint, similar to Kunzait's wuxia thread. I'm just concerned that most of the replies will be from people with no grasp of history or literature accusing me of putting to much thought into it.

That or a bunch of history snob who'll nit pick everything

Well, I'm a college history teacher. I'm probably the biggest history snob here

And, to be fair, postwar Japan isn't my area of expertise, so I'd have to do a great deal of research. Definitely a long-term project.

[ekrolo2]

I meant that as a continuation of your line of thought, not as a rebuttal. Sorry if it came across that way.

I've been thinking about doing an analysis of Dragon Ball from a historical standpoint, similar to Kunzait's wuxia thread. I'm just concerned that most of the replies will be from people with no grasp of history or literature accusing me of putting to much thought into it.

That or a bunch of history snob who'll nit pick everything

Well, I'm a college history teacher. I'm probably the biggest history snob here

And, to be fair, postwar Japan isn't my area of expertise, so I'd have to do a great deal of research. Definitely a long-term project.

I'd definitely like to see something like this. Japan history in general, isn't my forte either but as a history buff, it would be fun to see how that stuff may have informed Dragon Ball, whether intentionally or just as a happy coincidence.

[Kuririn Fan]

If there is a big bad guy heading the other side of the war, I think it'd be cool if it were the evil U6 version of Monaka, aka the guy who can give Beerus a run for his money.

Maybe he's a big shot Namekian? Maybe Nameks over there are evil...like how Saiyans are good. Universe 6's King piccolo, being a REAL Demon! >:P

Piccolo was a REAL Demon, just like Kami was a REAL God.

[Silver Sinspawn]

Spoiler:

It would appear that there is not actually a war

[Kuririn Fan]

Spoiler:

It would appear that there is not actually a war

We don't know that.