Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

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Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:46 am

I dislike this part of the transformation, you out of nowhere, lose your shirt/upper garment...
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:49 am

The real question is why they get pants and why SS4 Gogeta gets the fusion vest.
The show doesn't explain, as per usual, so we are left with making assumptions and perhaps Goku and Vegeta subconsciously triggered some innately magical power, that produced clothes, they'd like to wear.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Chuquita » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:51 am

Fan-service, I guess. Ssj4 isn't my cup of tea, but I can understand how it would be others'.

GT had so little fan-service up to that point compared to Z that the final arc really did feel like they were desperate to grab lost interest.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:41 am

dbgtFO wrote:The real question is why they get pants and why SS4 Gogeta gets the fusion vest.
Why wouldn't Gogeta get the fusion vest? It's not like the transformation prohibits a shirt, in that trying to put one on after going SS4 would cause the clothing to incinerate on contact.

If they had been able to fuse at any of the lower levels and then went Super Saiyan 4, I could see the vest disappearing. But they fuse while already at SS4, to the technique's "magic" is being applied over the transformations.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:09 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:The real question is why they get pants and why SS4 Gogeta gets the fusion vest.
Why wouldn't Gogeta get the fusion vest?
Cause DBZ filler had naked Goten and Trunks merging and that didn't produce a fusion vest, nor clothes for that matter and given neither Goku nor Vegeta were wearing something on their upper body, well I have to question that. Given that they somehow produce clothes as SS4s, I guess my speculation could apply here as well.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:19 am

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:14 am

" Because i'm a monkey!" - TFS Kai Vegeta, Age 762
It's GT, dude, the same show that has kid Goku all grown up when he's a Ss4.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by mikey4111 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Because it's sexy, helps get the saiyan laid.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Xeztin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:34 pm

I'd like to think going from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4 creates a new body because the Golden Oozaru and Goku/Vegeta's normal body's weren't strong enough to handle the power. That could explain the shirt missing since it's a different body and when they return to base they return to their normal bodies. It doesn't explain where the pants and such come from, but I don't understand where the darn Vest in fusion comes from either. I don't think any of these things are meant to be deeply looked into because that just would complicate things for younger readers/viewers.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Cipher » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:40 pm

The shirts restrict their true power.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Pocket-God » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:42 pm

Well......I seriously wish it was the pants that was missing in the SSJ4 form buuut that's probably just me :lol:

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:49 pm

I'd had always assumed it was like the hulk.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Cetra » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:37 am

Because nudity makes them stronger.

An easy-inuniverse explanation: Their potential of controlling energy has come so far that they can convert it to matter. So when they transform they would not wear anything but they at least materialize the stuff they need for battle.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by TheatreStyleKai » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:44 am

Do you have any idea how uncomfortable it would be to wear a shirt over fur? I'm sure SSJ4 Vegeta is chaffing something fierce every time he moves in those tight ass pants.

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Zillamon51 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:23 pm

The first time Goku transformed SS4, he should have been naked. We know he has no inhibitions against it. He would stand tall and proud before Baby, his manhood strategically hidden by some Austin Powers-like camera angles. Everyone else would be terribly awkward / embarrassed. Then Supreme Kai pops in, says "Can't have that! Here's some magic pants!" Plot hole closed.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by apex_pretador » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:46 pm

Because shirtless is goku's ultimate powerup.

Every time in a movie, when goku loses his shirt, he overcomes the odds to become john cena of toei & since in GT , he's already far outclassed by his opponent's weaker forms, he needs the shirtless power to be stacked up above a new transformation.

See like this in multipliers:

Base goku - 1
SS goku - 2 (2x)
SS3 goku - 8 (4x)
SS4 goku - 20 (2.5x)
Shirtless - 1000 (50x)

Since his shirtless multiplier is bigger than his base to SS4 multiplier, he'd obviously go that route.

On vegeta, well, he is always one step behind goku, so he also got the same treatment.

EDIT: Not to mention that in SS4, the shirtless multiplier can be achieved without getting terribly outclassed by the opponent, who doesn't even flinch on your attacks.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:45 am

Out of Universe Answer - They needed a cool design to draw in ratings and to sell toys. SSj4 looks cool and can make your 6 year old watching GT at the time to ask their parents to buy a action figure of it.

In Universe Answer - I think the power going into Oozaru and SSj4 causes the shirts to rip into pieces. So they just have pants similar to the Hulk.
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:53 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: In Universe Answer - I think the power going into Oozaru and SSj4 causes the shirts to rip into pieces. So they just have pants similar to the Hulk.
Then I suppose the next question would be "why does reverting to base make the clothes grow back?"
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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Skar » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:23 am

I always wondered why they needed pants in SSJ4. I mean they're covered in fur so it would look something like this:

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Re: Why does SSJ4 go shirtless?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:13 am

TheatreStyleKai wrote:Do you have any idea how uncomfortable it would be to wear a shirt over fur? I'm sure SSJ4 Vegeta is chaffing something fierce every time he moves in those tight ass pants.
But it's magical fur.
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