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What if Discotek/sentai filmworks released Z on bluray?

Post by eledoremassis02 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:52 am

What if Funimation contracted a release for Dragon Ball Z on bluray to Discotek (they would do the remastering and production). Would you support it? They seem to be big on bringing older anime to Bluray and are a very niche company to begin with. Then fans could get a proper release without "technically" overstaturing the market since its a nice market to begin with
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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:55 am

Then Ashura here would be in charge of the discs and I'd force my way into recording commentary tracks for every episode.
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:59 am

VegettoEX wrote:Then Ashura here would be in charge of the discs and I'd force my way into recording commentary tracks for every episode.
Sounds like 2 others wins lol! We need a change.org petition lol :lol:

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Post by Haseowolf » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:02 pm

Make that petition and I'd sign it SO hard.

While I do have all the Dragon Boxes there are holes in my collection where I'd like a proper, competent home release. Namely the Trunks and Bardock specials.
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Re: What if Discotek/sentai filmworks released Z on bluray?

Post by Iberian_Saiyan » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:08 pm

What's Discotek/Sentai's perspective on the Japanese honorifics? I much rather prefer Steve Simmons' translation with the honorifics than Mr., Miss., Mrs., Master, Lord and so on. "Mr. Goku" or "Mr. Son" doesn't feel right or authentic to me. I'd also not get my hopes up to thinking they'd be the one company to include Z broadcast audio tracks because if Funimation or Toei haven't then it's very unlikely Discotek would, and if they did without Toei's consent they'd be burning a bridge.

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Re: What if Discotek/sentai filmworks released Z on bluray?

Post by ParkerAL » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:01 pm

I adore Discotek. The shows and movies it releases are right up my alley - obscure OVAs, classic mecha adventures, and beloved relics. Its products usually aren't as shiny as ones from Funimation or Viz - we are talking about a smaller, niche-oriented company here - but its staff always seem to do the best work they can. If only Funimation cared more about authenticity when releasing older shows on DVD and Blu-ray.

Go check out their Giant Gorg release to see how much love Discotek puts into it releases. That, and it's also a super fun show on its own merits. Oh, and its main character was voiced by Mayumi Tanaka, the Japanese voice of Krillin and Luffy, so there's even a reason to tune in if you're a subbed Dragon Ball fan. Seriously people, buy this show. It's awesome!

All that said, I have to admit the idea presented in this thread is very unlikely. Impossible, I'd say. Funimation isn't going to give another company a slice of its Dragon Ball pie anytime soon.
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Re: What if Discotek/sentai filmworks released Z on bluray?

Post by Ashura » Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:53 pm

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.

Let's see.

-It would probably take a year or two from announcement because holy crap this is a lot of episodes to take care of.
-I'd probably try to color correct the Dragon Box footage to various results. Or get frustrated and give up.
-We would take Mike up on his kind offer to do commentary for every episode but also not be able to pay him what he's worth.
-I'd probably take waaaay too much time on the packaging and be riddled with doubt and fear.
-Though maybe not because honestly, I think the Dragon Boxes have great designs and I'd probably just copy that.

Source: I produce Discotek DVDs and get very little sleep.

Packaging could also look like this!

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That said, I don't think it'd ever happen. Funimation has a good relationship with Toei and is big enough to handle a huge brand like that; not any of the other anime publishers are really. To be honest, I'd be afraid to be in charge of a property that big with that many moving parts and fans to disappoint. Dragonball requires a brand manager, for pete's sake. We're a little more homespun. I mean, it's no secret that I design the packaging for the titles I produce if that makes any sense.
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Re: What if Discotek/sentai filmworks released Z on bluray?

Post by Tyro » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:30 pm

ParkerAL wrote:I adore Discotek. The shows and movies it releases are right up my alley - obscure OVAs, classic mecha adventures, and beloved relics. Its products usually aren't as shiny as ones from Funimation or Viz - we are talking about a smaller, niche-oriented company here - but its staff always seem to do the best work they can. If only Funimation cared more about authenticity when releasing older shows on DVD and Blu-ray.
Sometimes. I found no issues with their subtitles for Dr. Slump: The Movies 1-5, but their Monster Farm collection had lots and lots of grammatical errors.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:37 pm

Ashura wrote:
That is an amazing Blu-Ray cover. Hell, I'd buy the Blu-Ray just for that awesome packaging alone. :D

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Post by Iberian_Saiyan » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:42 pm

In addition to what Tyro showed, I too had my share of issues albeit they were minor. On the Dr. Slump Movies set the picture quality sometimes would show how badly pixelated it was and why didn't Discotek use DVD9s instead? Each volume was 4.30GB large so it could fit in a DVD5 and am I to believe Diskotek went with DVD5s because they're cheaper? This is disappointing. If it were Funi I'd predict the credits would all be translated but at least they wouldn't compress the movies to be stored in DVD5s (the old Funi would do it though).

I trust Funimation as they've released lots of great Dragon Ball releases and someone as Discotek couldn't afford that.

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Post by thejeremymenace » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:21 pm

Ashura wrote:
I've always loved that cover since the time it was posted. I've tried to do custom DVD covers for DB since I have a sort of frankenstein set of R2 video + R1 subs/audio, but they are always super simplistic with a lot of negative space because I hate doing the copy on the back, and I also want to save on printer ink.
Tyro wrote: but their Monster Farm collection had lots and lots of grammatical errors.
That's not exactly Discotek's fault, a lot of times they are given these subs rather than making their own -- and it's hard to QC absolutely everything. Hokuto no Ken has a few errors here and there too, but I think that's mostly on Toei.
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Post by Tyro » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:00 pm

thejeremymenace wrote:That's not exactly Discotek's fault, a lot of times they are given these subs rather than making their own -- and it's hard to QC absolutely everything. Hokuto no Ken has a few errors here and there too, but I think that's mostly on Toei.
I don't see how outsourcing the subtitle work removes Discotek from the responsibility of QCing their product before release. They might not have made the mistakes themselves, but they still greenlit the final product. It looks bad on the company.

Not to mention those examples came from the first ~5 episodes only. I'm positive there are more. A few episodes later I got sidetracked and never finished the series. The only major mistake that comes to mind is translating/spelling ライガー/Raigā as Rygar instead of Liger.

Before anyone goes thinking that I'm hating on Discotek, I highly respect their company and what they're doing, and their classic anime selection on both Blu-ray and DVD is amazing to say the least. I'm just pointing out that their quality dips at times. Obviously I can only speak on the products I have purchased from them, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever by pointing out shortcomings.

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Post by Ashura » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:00 pm

Iberian_Saiyan wrote:In addition to what Tyro showed, I too had my share of issues albeit they were minor. On the Dr. Slump Movies set the picture quality sometimes would show how badly pixelated it was and why didn't Discotek use DVD9s instead?
I believe that's how the video was handed to us; it should be identical to the R2 DVDs.
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ParkerAL wrote:I adore Discotek. The shows and movies it releases are right up my alley - obscure OVAs, classic mecha adventures, and beloved relics. Its products usually aren't as shiny as ones from Funimation or Viz - we are talking about a smaller, niche-oriented company here - but its staff always seem to do the best work they can. If only Funimation cared more about authenticity when releasing older shows on DVD and Blu-ray.
Sometimes. I found no issues with their subtitles for Dr. Slump: The Movies 1-5, but their Monster Farm collection had lots and lots of grammatical errors.
Dr. Slump was proofed by Herms. If we did more Dr. Slump I would make sure he's on it- or at least, offer the opportunity to him anyway.

I believe the scripts for Monster Farm came direct from the Japanese licensor; that said, this oversight on MF is something we talked about and we don't plan to let it happen again in the future. It's one of very few gaffes we've made I feel, and we've made measures to try not to have it happen again.

What happens with a show really depends who works on what show and what resources are available. I like a lot of shows but I can't work on them all; 49 episodes of Rayearth are killing me right now. On the shows I produce, if I don't know a lot about it I try to reach out to fans and get their help, like I did with Herms. But everyone who works on these has a different style.
Iberian_Saiyan wrote:What's Discotek/Sentai's perspective on the Japanese honorifics? I much rather prefer Steve Simmons' translation with the honorifics than Mr., Miss., Mrs., Master, Lord and so on. "Mr. Goku" or "Mr. Son" doesn't feel right or authentic to me. I'd also not get my hopes up to thinking they'd be the one company to include Z broadcast audio tracks because if Funimation or Toei haven't then it's very unlikely Discotek would, and if they did without Toei's consent they'd be burning a bridge.
On the Discotek side, it depends on the show. On Lupin we localize everything (Fujicakes for Fujiko-chan, Pops for Totsan, etc.) since that show isn't really Japanese-centric and it makes sense. But on something like Dragonball I'd probably leave it alone; on Dr. Slump I left it to Herms' discretion since he knows way more about the series than I ever will. I try to go with what I would want as a fan, or, if it's not a show I'm a particular fan of, try to figure out what the fans would want.

For instance, on the SFII Movie release and the upcoming Darkstalkers release, we did two sets of subtitles. One with the English names (Hsien-Ko, Huitzil) and one with the Japanese names (Lei-Lei, Phobos, etc.) because as a fan it's something I personally wanted to see.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:08 pm

I love Discotek, they are my favorite anime companies in the US. From what I've seen, they normally take HD prints from Japan.
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Post by coola » Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:31 am

Huge props for including region B :) Way too many companies release anime region locked :(
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:36 pm

If Discotek or Sentai picks up DB, it won't happen for a very long time. As long if Funimation is around and DB keeps on selling for them, I doubt they will give it up soon.
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Post by Asmo » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:56 am

coola wrote:Huge props for including region B :) Way too many companies release anime region locked :(
This.

In regards to DBZ, I doubt Funi would let go of it, or even sublicense it. Would be wonderful to see it from an alternate perspective so to speak.

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Post by Enigmo » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:13 am

Would be wonderful to see from another perspective indeed. But, for this we don't really need Discotek or Sentai to do it. We just need FUNimation to acquire the right people. I have no idea who they could get, but if FUNimation just made a few enigmodifications to their team, they'd probably be able to achieve colour correction like this
I wonder how much they'd pay though

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Post by eledoremassis02 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:58 pm

Enigmo wrote:Would be wonderful to see from another perspective indeed. But, for this we don't really need Discotek or Sentai to do it. We just need FUNimation to acquire the right people. I have no idea who they could get, but if FUNimation just made a few enigmodifications to their team, they'd probably be able to achieve colour correction like this
I wonder how much they'd pay though
The problem is tho, is that FUNimation seems to feel there is no demand (or wont sell well to the general public) a public remaster. They have the people, they did the level sets. I figured Discotek could do it because they make niche products and the work load would be on them and not FUNimation (so they would not have to sacrifice a team to do that and not newer products). I know it would never happen but I thought it would be an indea to get a proper release done.

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Post by Puto » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:30 pm

Tyro wrote:The only major mistake that comes to mind is translating/spelling ライガー/Raigā as Rygar instead of Liger.

That's not an error — the character's name is a reference to this old video game (created by TECMO, just like Monster Farm): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rygar
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