Wishing all the good people back to life?

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Wishing all the good people back to life?

Post by ROCKYIII » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:20 am

Bulma wished all the "good" people back to life in the buu saga... What kind of cult clan bs is this? Bulma's the smartest character in the series she knows exactly what she's doing. How do you differentiate good from evil? Religion? My buddy's Jewish that means he's not coming back to life? There are so many questions beyond that that I don't even want to write them all down. Just all questions associated with what is "good" and if a magical dragon is qualified enough to make that decision.

What makes a person good in the dbz verse?

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Re: Wishing all the good people back to life?

Post by emperior » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:32 am

it's more of a generic "revive everyone except our enemies because they are evil and have evil plans"

I bet humans that kill other humans or are evil are still revived as we see in GT Saiyaman saga that there are criminals in Satan City.
Shenron probably doesn't revive evil people if they are stronger than he is when they ask to revive everyone who was killed except for evil people.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:48 am

Why do you have to bring religion into Dragon Ball? It's just evil people that do evil things, i thought it was clear enough.
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Post by ROCKYIII » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:39 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Why do you have to bring religion into Dragon Ball? It's just evil people that do evil thing, i thought it was clear enough.
Because a lot of religions say you're not good unless you follow their set of rules. Like christianity.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:49 am

Morality is very black and white in Dragon Ball. It's pretty much a case of if you've never killed any innocent people or taken over the world, you're pretty much seen as a good guy. I mean, look at Piccolo for example. He saves Gohan's life in the Saiyan arc and that automatically gains him not only a place in Heaven but he got the super special that Goku got when he first died and was able to keep his body and train with a God.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:26 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:Why do you have to bring religion into Dragon Ball? It's just evil people that do evil thing, i thought it was clear enough.
Religion is just an example. He's saying that good and evil are inherently subjective, and asking who is Burma to make that kind of decision. I kinda agree with him.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:30 pm

I think Vegeta meant that people are cold blooded evil people. Pilaf was bad, but he was not really evil. He was never taken seriously and never did anything evil. Yeah he try to kill Goku in the past, but he failed to so. I would imagine people like the two gun men that almost kill Mr. Satan, Dabra, Babidi and Tao most likely never got wish back.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:08 pm

Well, religion doesn't mean shit in Dragon Ball and i like it that way. Such a weird 1000th post, but oh well...

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Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:22 pm

ROCKYIII wrote:Bulma wished all the "good" people back to life in the buu saga... What kind of cult clan bs is this? Bulma's the smartest character in the series she knows exactly what she's doing. How do you differentiate good from evil? Religion? My buddy's Jewish that means he's not coming back to life? There are so many questions beyond that that I don't even want to write them all down. Just all questions associated with what is "good" and if a magical dragon is qualified enough to make that decision.

What makes a person good in the dbz verse?
The answer is given in the series when Goku comments that Porunga resurrected Vegeta in the Buu saga because Porunga didn't think he was a bad guy.

In other words, they trust Shenlong/Porunga's judgment. They left that definition up to the dragon. They could have specified it more, they could have told the dragon exactly what kind of people they didn't want coming up, but they trusted the dragon's judgment.

So, if your question is who judged who was bad or good when they made those wishes, the answer is: the dragon.

Of course, this doesn't mean that other character's will have exactly the same judgment. Enma, for example, might have disagreed with the dragon, but in that case it wasn't him deciding. This means that if Vegeta died immediately after reviving, Enma might still have judged him only fit for Hell.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:27 pm

These wishes are being made to divine, magical, alien dragons (in a cartoon aimed at young children). With the characters directly or indirectly shown to remain dead and characters like Pilaf and Vegeta managing to make the resurrection cut in those instances, the dragons clearly have a very liberal interpretation of what it takes to be "good" and "evil". So why even bring religion into it like some kind of witch hunt?
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Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:13 pm

Vegeta has probably killed too many things to count but somehow he's considered a good person by the Namakian Shenron so you must have to be Beerus level of bad to not be considered good which I doubt fits anyone living on earth.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:13 pm

The Dragon's are clearly crazy as fuck if they both deemed Vegeta fit for revival when he totally didn't deserve it in either instances. Especially on Namek.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:38 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:The Dragon's are clearly crazy as fuck if they both deemed Vegeta fit for revival when he totally didn't deserve it in either instances. Especially on Namek.
Well, in the first instance through an almighty loophole as Shenlong was asked to bring back to life everyone killed by Freeza and his men on Namek and since Vegeta pretty much quit working for Freeza, so Vegeta was included in the wish. The second though, I guess Porunga wanted to throw Vegeta a bone for putting his very existence on the line to save the universe.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:41 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:The Dragon's are clearly crazy as fuck if they both deemed Vegeta fit for revival when he totally didn't deserve it in either instances. Especially on Namek.
Well, in the first instance through an almighty loophole as Shenlong was asked to bring back to life everyone killed by Freeza and his men on Namek and since Vegeta pretty much quit working for Freeza, so Vegeta was included in the wish. The second though, I guess Porunga wanted to throw Vegeta a bone for putting his very existence on the line to save the universe.
Doesn't the everyone wish automatically rule out evil people though or is that just me mistaking an assumption as a fact?
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Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:50 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:The Dragon's are clearly crazy as fuck if they both deemed Vegeta fit for revival when he totally didn't deserve it in either instances. Especially on Namek.
Well, in the first instance through an almighty loophole as Shenlong was asked to bring back to life everyone killed by Freeza and his men on Namek and since Vegeta pretty much quit working for Freeza, so Vegeta was included in the wish. The second though, I guess Porunga wanted to throw Vegeta a bone for putting his very existence on the line to save the universe.
Doesn't the everyone wish automatically rule out evil people though or is that just me mistaking an assumption as a fact?
You are mistaken. The dragon does solely what is asked of him. The only times where he made a distinction between bad or good people was when the wish required him to.

Also, Porunga included Vegeta because he was asked to exclude the bad people, so Porunga resurrected everyone that wasn't bad in his eyes, which means that they didn't have to actually be good, just not bad. And, obviously, Porunga thought it was more relevant how Vegeta was nowadays than how he was before and what he had done before.

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Post by omaro34 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:22 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Morality is very black and white in Dragon Ball. It's pretty much a case of if you've never killed any innocent people or taken over the world, you're pretty much seen as a good guy. I mean, look at Piccolo for example. He saves Gohan's life in the Saiyan arc and that automatically gains him not only a place in Heaven but he got the super special that Goku got when he first died and was able to keep his body and train with a God.
Vegeta is another great example. When he was wished back in the Buu Arc he was considered a good guy, despite his horrible past. The fact that he was fighting on the side of good changed the tune of his verdict.
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Post by Sodhi » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:07 am

Here is my take on it. This is a fiction world where Dragons have the magical power to see who is evil enough to not bring back and who is not. It's just like any other fictional stuff in dragon ball.

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Post by apex_pretador » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:49 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Well, religion doesn't mean shit in Dragon Ball and i like it that way. Such a weird 1000th post, but oh well...
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Re: Wishing all the good people back to life?

Post by Mnich » Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:57 am

ROCKYIII wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:Why do you have to bring religion into Dragon Ball? It's just evil people that do evil thing, i thought it was clear enough.
Because a lot of religions say you're not good unless you follow their set of rules. Like christianity.
Ekhm, you mean islam? I agree with Kuririn Fan, we don't need religion in DB.

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