Is Toei on a strict schedule to release Super all at once?

[Iberian_Saiyan]

If Toei were to treat Super as a show with dignity we'd likely have gotten some really good animation and story with it (still none so far) but as it stands everything feels so rushed, monotonous and hardly enjoyable to say the least. I personally wouldn't have minded waiting months for a new season just like other series tend to take in order to produce a new batch of episodes with the intended quality they're aiming for. Super is evidently a victim of quantity of quality.

They don't even produce battles that revolve around fists and kicks but rather beam battles which get tiresome to watch just within a minute or two. No fun in watching beams being thrown away.

P.S. Season 3 (Champa arc) is still feeling very underwhelming so hopefully Season 4 (whatever it is) that it'll be better. I know that at this stage I shouldn't expect the series to get any better since it still hasn't, in my opinion.

[Deathbringer]

The story would still be the same but the animation would be better if they allowed the animators to have more time to work on the show, lets not forget that One Punch Man was made on a similar budget and ended up looking great because the studio was able to plan out everything (and probably because they knew how long the show was going to last) but yeah the overall story would most likely be the same (unless the busy time schedule has also affected Toriyama somehow) but the scripts and pacing might be better if they had more planning put into them.

[successoroffate]

Speaking for myself here, but do you guys ever get tired of posting the same stuff over and over again? We get it, you do not like the animation.

[Deathbringer]

Speaking for myself here, but do you guys ever get tired of posting the same stuff over and over again? We get it, you do not like the animation.

It's not just that the animation is bad it's that the show could look better (and be better overall in other ways) if Toei had planned it out, it's disappointing really, also I've personally not complained much about the animation of Super on these forums, whenever I talk on the individual episode threads I try and mention other things because the animation complaints usually go without saying (and usually because everyone else has banged on about the animation for several pages already by the time I get aroudn to watching the episode)

[Iberian_Saiyan]

The story would still be the same but the animation would be better if they allowed the animators to have more time to work on the show, lets not forget that One Punch Man was made on a similar budget and ended up looking great because the studio was able to plan out everything (and probably because they knew how long the show was going to last) but yeah the overall story would most likely be the same (unless the busy time schedule has also affected Toriyama somehow) but the scripts and pacing might be better if they had more planning put into them.

Should never expect for Super to be anywhere near as good as OPM. Madhouse treats their franchises with respect, a thing that Toei doesn't quite do so.

Speaking for myself here, but do you guys ever get tired of posting the same stuff over and over again? We get it, you do not like the animation.

It's not just the animation but the fighting choreography and story, or lack thereof. Dragon Ball (let's just say it had more variety than Z), Dragon Ball Z (defeat the villain, save the day) and Dragon Ball GT (DB story remakeish + gather the Black Star Dragon Balls and save Earth) all had their straight to the point story arcs but currently the Champa arc doesn't even have 'it'. The reason why Toei, I think, has decided to leave hand-to-hand combat is because beam battles are easier to produce but they're at the point where they don't even make any effort to make them enjoyable to watch.

As a Dragon Ball fan I intend on buying Super when Funimation publishes on Blu-ray but hard to tell if it's starting with Season 3, 4, 5 or so on. Not that great of a show.

[Lord Beerus]

Fuji TV and Toei wanted to get the show on the air as soon as possible to make that the show would secure the Sunday 9:00 AM slot. If Toei waited a few months longer than they did, Super most likely wouldn't have been able to secure the Sunday 9:00 AM slot, as it would most likely go to another program for the foreseeable future by the time that production of the series would have been finished. And if Super can't air in that slot, it most likely won't air at all. Because that slot will guarantee Super several million viewers, regardless of the quality of the episodes. Plus, the effects of Super not airing for several months would very likely have an overreaching effect on merchandises sales as a whole on the entire franchise, and that would greatly upset the heads at Bandai, who give a portion of Dragon Ball merchandise sales to Toei to help finance the franchise. If merchandise sales as a whole decrease for Dragon Ball, than it's less money in Bandai and Toei's pocket.

[Hellspawn28]

Yeah since Super won't work on a different time slot. 7:00 - 8:30 has Super Sentai, Kamen Rider and Precure from Toei and they have the same target audience as Dragon Ball. So putting it on early won't work and I doubt a later timeslot would work.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

I think the art and animation in Super obviously needs work. From my perspective, it would have been better for them to wait a few months and just not retell the movies and start at the Hakaishin Champa Arc. That may or may not have given them time to revise their work and plan everything out, rather than air rough drafts of art on worldwide TV.

I mean, Madhouse is the best example of awesome art and animation. Just look at One Punch Man.

[JulieYBM]

Toei Animation has already bought the timeslots. If they don't keep it filled they'll be pouring money down the drain and damaging contacts with sponsors.

I mean, Madhouse is the best example of awesome art and animation. Just look at One Punch Man.

All of the good stuff in One Punch Man is not actually directed or animated by employees of Madhouse. Toei Animation could just as easily do the same level of quality if the project was meant to be that kind of project.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

Toei Animation has already bought the timeslots. If they don't keep it filled they'll be pouring money down the drain and damaging contacts with sponsors.

I mean, Madhouse is the best example of awesome art and animation. Just look at One Punch Man.

All of the good stuff in One Punch Man is not actually directed or animated by employees of Madhouse. Toei Animation could just as easily do the same level of quality if the project was meant to be that kind of project.

It's too bad they don't...

[JulieYBM]

They don't because they stand to make much more money aiming at the lowest common denominator with an evergreen brand.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

They don't because they stand to make much more money aiming at the lowest common denominator with an evergreen brand.

I read it was because of this, apparently.... could be wrong then.

[Skar]

If Toei were to treat Super as a show with dignity we'd likely have gotten some really good animation and story with it (still none so far) but as it stands everything feels so rushed, monotonous and hardly enjoyable to say the least. I personally wouldn't have minded waiting months for a new season just like other series tend to take in order to produce a new batch of episodes with the intended quality they're aiming for. Super is evidently a victim of quantity of quality.

They don't even produce battles that revolve around fists and kicks but rather beam battles which get tiresome to watch just within a minute or two. No fun in watching beams being thrown away.

P.S. Season 3 (Champa arc) is still feeling very underwhelming so hopefully Season 4 (whatever it is) that it'll be better. I know that at this stage I shouldn't expect the series to get any better since it still hasn't, in my opinion.

I've asked the same questions in the past and VegettoEX offered the best explanation for why the animation looks the way it is. This was his comment in the manga thread:

It's not like Toei was on the verge of bankruptcy and had no choice but to begin production on DBS at that moment. If there was little time to work on it then Toei could've waited a few extra months.

To this point, it wasn't/isn't necessarily about the money, but about the timeslot, and that's something that COULDN'T wait.

With Dragon Ball Kai ending — which, as we know, was a last-minute replacement for the timeslot once Toriko ended (itself a replacement for the previous round of Kai's failure) — Toei was in a panic about what to do to avoid losing the timeslot. They had nothing else that could or would fit.

It was clear how rushed into production Super was from the fact that they literally had nothing to show for it for so long after announcing it, and then on top of that by reusing two movies' worth of material before getting into new story material, and all of it was just a pile of rushed, poor-planning going all the way back to Kai and no sustainable vision.

Notice that he provided facts pertaining to Toei and then came to a reasonable conclusion based on that information. That was honestly the only explanation I've heard that was supported with any evidence so the only one I can feel comfortable believing. I've heard before that "Toei is running low on staff", "The budget is not a problem", "Bandai is financing Super", etc but there's never a source given. If you ask for a source for these reasons then you'll find out that, if I recall correctly, they're assumptions based on the anime industry in general and no actual evidence that they have anything to do with Toei or Super. Until then, I'm going to assume rushing to fill the timeslot was the reason why the animation is so bad.

I still hope that maybe one day the animation improves but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that this is probably the best we'll see. I mean we're 35 episodes in so the chance for there to be a major overhaul in the middle seems unlikely. Whatever problems caused the animation to look this bad are probably going to plague the series until the end unless they took a break for a few months and then continued after they had time to prepare. I don't know if Toei would be willing to do that though. Maybe the anime was only thrown together to take the timeslot and they had intended all along to adapt the new material into movies. That way we could at least consider the film series as the main product and the anime as something extra that occasionally fills in some of the gaps.

[Miracles]

Should never expect for Super to be anywhere near as good as OPM. Madhouse treats their franchises with respect, a thing that Toei doesn't quite do so.

Do you really know what you are posting?
Overall TOEI's products blow Madhouse out of the water in every aspect.

[Lord Beerus]

Should never expect for Super to be anywhere near as good as OPM. Madhouse treats their franchises with respect, a thing that Toei doesn't quite do so.

Do you really know what you are posting?
Overall TOEI's products blow Madhouse out of the water in every aspect.

Redline is better than anything that Toei has ever produced.

[Duo]

It's odd to me that the movies needed to be remade for television, but there is still no Jaco anime or story arc. Much sad, such want.

[Lord Beerus]

It's odd to me that the movies needed to be remade for television, but there is still no Jaco anime or story arc. Much sad, such want.

I'm still waiting for Neko Majin (Z) to get some love.

[Duo]

It's odd to me that the movies needed to be remade for television, but there is still no Jaco anime or story arc. Much sad, such want.

I'm still waiting for Neko Majin (Z) to get some love.

You just blew my hair back. I NEED to see him fight Beerus!

[Lord Beerus]

It's odd to me that the movies needed to be remade for television, but there is still no Jaco anime or story arc. Much sad, such want.

I'm still waiting for Neko Majin (Z) to get some love.

You just blew my hair back. I NEED to see him fight Beerus!

Man, you have no idea how much I would love to see that.

[Duo]

I think I have.a slight idea

I haven't read that in years, but now I'm inspired.

I wonder if they could sustain the time slot for a few weeks by airing the best episodes of the old anime, like a highlights reel. Goku vs Piccolo Daimao, Super Saiyan, etc