OK how can anyone become close to Goku now?

[Kishido]

I mean ouf of "normal" characters as Vegeta.

Even if SSGSS Vegeta is slightly stronger as Goku he never will stand a chance without Kaioken. And same goes for everyone else...

I can't see for example Gohan getting so much stronger than Goku that Goku has to use Kaioken

[sintzu]

If Vegeta learned the Kaio Ken or something similar then he'd be able to.

[Kuririn Fan]

If Vegeta learned the Kaio Ken or something similar then he'd be able to.

But he wont and you know that. Always in Gokus shadow.

[sintzu]

But he wont and you know that.

There's a lot of things we thought he wouldn't do like training under someone so if that's the only way to catch up then he'll do it.

[Kuririn Fan]

But he wont and you know that.

There's a lot of things we thought he wouldn't do like training under someone so if that's the only way to catch up then he'll do it.

And then Goku finds another way to surpass him again.

[sintzu]

And then Goku finds another way to surpass him again.

And then Vegeta finds another way to catch up again.

[Kuririn Fan]

And then Goku finds another way to surpass him again.

And then Vegeta finds another way to catch up again.

Manga's last panel with Vegeta saying: "Sooner or later, Kakarrot, I will show you defeat…"

[Darkprince410]

It may just end up being something along the lines of he just never ends up perfecting it. Given what was established, there was only a 10% chance of the pairing of the two being a success, and Goku may just never be able to get it to work more smoothly than that, and ends up considering a 10% chance of success not being worth the 90% chance of utter death.

[Lord Beerus]

Unless the Namekian Book Of Legends provides the plot device power up to end all plot device power ups, then no. No one among the Z-Fighters are touching Goku especially now that Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken is a form that has no real drawback(s).

[sintzu]

That Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken is a form that has no real drawback(s).

Minus the 90% chance of dying when he tries to use it.

[Lord Beerus]

That Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken is a form that has no real drawback(s).

Minus the 90% chance of dying when he tries to use it.

If he had made even a tiny mistake, then his power would have gone out of control and killed him, but thankfully he seems to have managed to perfectly control it.

[Kuririn Fan]

That Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken is a form that has no real drawback(s).

Minus the 90% chance of dying when he tries to use it.

If he had made even a tiny mistake, then his power would have gone out of control and killed him, but thankfully he seems to have managed to perfectly control it.

Yeah, he said that he managed to control it. He did that before he attacked, that was the live or die moment.

[Tectorman]

Goku managed to control it THAT time. Which isn't guaranteed success every time.

It actually reminds me of Grade 3. Goku figured out how to use it, realized its major power advantages, realized its drawbacks, and ultimately went with the safer option of Grade 4. In this case, I have my money on Goku dropping the higher multipliers in favor of a lower, less strenuous boost. Which other characters may eventually be able to contend with.

Spoiler:

Unrelated note:

I was actually expecting Goku's trump card to be the "instant reaction" method Whis suggested he and Vegeta learn. It seemed a more thematic counter to Hit's Time Skip, in that it doesn't matter how much time you can act in apparent time if your opponent can instantly catch up to you once the clock starts again. Oh, well, the resurgence of the Super Kaioken is cool, too.

[sintzu]

Goku managed to control it THAT time. Which isn't guaranteed success every time.

And not everyone is going to stand by and let him power up like Hit, if someone attacks him while he's in the middle of powering up it could destroy his body or worse.

I do think he'll train to use it a lot easier but until then, the current way he uses it is very risky especially sine he probably won't be able t defend himself once he goes back to normal so if he doesn't finish the fight he'll be as good as dead.

[Khin]

Vegeta ragains his tail and masters Oozaru + SSB.

Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken is a form that has no real drawback(s).

Yes,it have,Goku wasn't even sure if he can sustain the form,his body would probably explode if he will go x20 or something.Not to mention,SSB Kaioken will probably drain Goku's energy as much as SSj3.

[jplaya2023]

I think vegeta should train for his own form of SSJ GOD.

Maybe SSJ God Vegeta where he can increase his power without draining his stamina like the kaioken does.

[Vynak]

Goku managed to control it THAT time. Which isn't guaranteed success every time.

I do think he'll train to use it a lot easier but until then, the current way he uses it is very risky especially sine he probably won't be able t defend himself once he goes back to normal so if he doesn't finish the fight he'll be as good as dead.

Hope not. Kaioken has always been risky which is a fair tradeoff for how OP the move is. If Goku trains to use it easily, what's to stop him from eventually multiplying it to ridiculous levels as his body gradually gets used to the increased levels. Judging by how ridiculous the gravity training ended up in Z, it's not too far fetched to think this could happen. This would put Goku leagues above everyone, including the gods, with enough time.

If Vegeta learned the Kaio Ken or something similar then he'd be able to.

But he wont and you know that. Always in Gokus shadow.

Let's hope he chooses not to learn it. Goku & Vegeta are the most prominent characters in Super and they don't need to be using the same exact technique in their battles. That would get boring really fast. Vegeta needs to figure out another way to close the gap between them.

[sintzu]

Hope not. Kaioken has always been risky which is a fair tradeoff for how OP the move is. If Goku trains to use it easily, what's to stop him from eventually multiplying it to ridiculous levels as his body gradually gets used to the increased levels.

That's a good point.

Vegeta needs to figure out another way to close the gap between them.

He did it before so he'll most likely do it again.

[BoosterZabi]

If Vegeta learned the Kaio Ken or something similar then he'd be able to.

But he wont and you know that. Always in Gokus shadow.

After the Buu Saga, I highly doubt anyone even thought that Vegeta would ever catch up to Goku. DBS proved us wrong. Not only did he initially catch up, but he surpassed Goku by the time Goku arrived to start Whis's training. So I would not be surprised if Vegeta happens to create his own version of the Kaio Ken. Remember, Vegeta only saw it once in his lifetime.

[sintzu]

Not only did he initially catch up, but he surpassed Goku by the time Goku arrived to start Whis's training.

And he did it without the ritual which we thought would be impossible.