Did Fat Buu become weaker after expelling Evil Buu?

[Bullza]

Did they ever specifically point out that he got weaker? Is the current Fat Buu as strong as he was when he fought SSJ3 Goku or did he become weaker after expelling his inner evil like how it happened with the Namek that became Kami and Piccolo?

At first Fat Buu was shown to be much stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta and was able to fight on par with SSJ3 Goku but later Goku said he could beat him if he wanted to.

Later on Fat Buu fights against Kid Buu and he does put up a much better fight than what SSJ2 Vegeta did but is still outclassed by Kid Buu who SSJ3 Goku is on par with.

So if he did weaken it couldn't have been by much and I see a lot of people with the belief that he did become weaker after expelling the Evil Grey Buu but is that a fact or just people assume it?

[dbgtFO]

Depends on interpretation.
We have the narrator's statement(Piccolo in the anime), that the majority of the power went to the Pure Evil Buu.
How people interpret that varies.

Some people say the power being split is the power Fat Buu had demonstrated up till then, ie. his power, that's somewhat inferior to SS3 Goku's:
Mr. Buu + Pure Evil Buu = Fat Buu.

Other people say the power being split is the dormant power of Buu, not just the suppressed power of Fat Buu, but the power, that would add up to Super Buu's power:
Mr. Buu + Pure Evil Buu = Super Buu.

There are also those who say, that since the removal of Mr. Buu does not produce Pure Evil Buu, as it should have, then Mr. Buu must also be different from the one Pure Evil Buu absorbed.

It means they end up with 3 different versions of Fat Buu:
The original just called Fat Buu.
The weakest called Good Buu, who is much weaker than Fat.
And the latest iteration Mr. Buu, who is about the same level of Fat.

Personally I prefer something akin to option number 2, basically Fat Buu didn't get weaker, than what he was against Vegeta and Goku, rather his dormant power got molded into the Pure Evil Buu and it may just be, that Fat Buu could never have reached that power without transforming anyway.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I believe he was. The majority of the power went to Pure Evil Boo and Mr. Boo got the least amount of it.

He did put up a good effort against Kid Boo, but I think his regeneration helped a lot there. Kid Boo wasn't taking him seriously.

[supercat]

Considering how it's been stated that the evil half took the lion's share, I'd say it's safe to assume that Mr. Buu's power was reduced to a mere fraction of what it once was.

That said, the way I deciphered the entire ordeal changed over time; initially, I assumed the evil within Buu was inflated with a special type of magic that had the ability to create another Buu, while leaving the original incarnation intact. However, that all made little sense when I took the narration into consideration and factored in Mr. Buu's subpar performance against Kid Buu.

Although Mr. Buu faring worse than SSJ3 Goku in the final showdown could easily be supported by the notion that the latter was presumably treating his initial encounter with Buu and Babidi as a means of stalling time, we still have the narration almost explicitly indicating that a good chunk of power went to the evil half. That elaboration in and of itself is basically enough for me to adhere to Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta) > Mr. Buu.

So where exactly would I place this weakened version of Buu?

Anywhere from Super Perfect Cell-tier to a notch above SSJ2 Vegeta (against Kid Buu).

[Pantalones]

Other people say the power being split is the dormant power of Buu, not just the suppressed power of Fat Buu, but the power, that would add up to Super Buu's power:
Mr. Buu + Pure Evil Buu = Super Buu.

There are also those who say, that since the removal of Mr. Buu does not produce Pure Evil Buu, as it should have, then Mr. Buu must also be different from the one Pure Evil Buu absorbed.

I figure it's probably something like one of these two options, or even a combination of the two.

Fat Buu did get seriously angry and do the whole "angry steam power-up" thing (seemingly to a greater extent than ever before) in the moments leading up to the skinny evil Buu's creation... which implies that the power that got split wasn't just the level Buu showed against SSj3 Goku or previous opponents, but some higher level he couldn't access without going nuts with rage. If that boosted power was Super Buu's power flaring up for a moment before the split, then even with the skinny one getting "the majority of the power," the fat one could still be just as strong as the original Fat Buu if not stronger (Super Buu was too much for SSj3 Goku after all, while Fat Buu would've gotten destroyed if Goku was serious from the start and Kid Buu -- and presumably skinny evil Buu -- were about on the same level as SSj3 Goku.)

If that boosted power was something lower than that ridiculous height but still higher than regular Fat Buu, there's still room for Fat Good Buu to be much stronger than the SSj2s (though maybe not as strong as the original Fat Buu) but also weaker than Skinny Evil Buu. Speaking of which... does the skinny Buu really need to be dramatically stronger than the fat one, going by what's actually shown rather than that random narrator statement? From what I remember the skinny one wasn't completely overpowering the fat one at all, he just reversed the candy beam back on the fat one which ended the fight instantly... so it could've been a Piccolo Jr./Kami Mafuuba situation, where the gap isn't that huge but the technique that should've won the fight for the good one instead got reflected back by the evil one.

And yeah, "Mr. Buu" being different from the initial "Good Buu" seems likely. He should be pretty much all Kaioshin by that point, basically Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin (or just most of South Kaioshin? that initial burst into "buff" form during the reversion from Super Buu to Kid Buu makes me wonder...) purged from Super/Kid Buu and smushed together inside a layer of "Buu-stuff." That's definitely not the same as "all of Buu, strengthened by the South Kaioshin's power and then tamed and held back by the Dai Kaioshin's influence" like the initial Fat Buu we saw.

[apex_pretador]

Kid Buu -- and presumably skinny evil Buu -- were about on the same level as SSj3 Goku.)

He is not. Skinny buu wasn't felt from kaioshin planet while super buu was, SS3 goku (likely suppressed) was, Kid buu was, etc.

[Kuririn Fan]

Yes, he did, it was clearly stated in the manga.

[rereboy]

Did they ever specifically point out that he got weaker? Is the current Fat Buu as strong as he was when he fought SSJ3 Goku or did he become weaker after expelling his inner evil like how it happened with the Namek that became Kami and Piccolo?

At first Fat Buu was shown to be much stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta and was able to fight on par with SSJ3 Goku but later Goku said he could beat him if he wanted to.

Later on Fat Buu fights against Kid Buu and he does put up a much better fight than what SSJ2 Vegeta did but is still outclassed by Kid Buu who SSJ3 Goku is on par with.

So if he did weaken it couldn't have been by much and I see a lot of people with the belief that he did become weaker after expelling the Evil Grey Buu but is that a fact or just people assume it?

The narrator stated that skinny Buu took most of the power. I think it's pretty clear.

[Desassina]

I would dare say that Majin Boo became weaker when he expelled his evil, and that Pure Evil Boo represented the extent of Evil Boo's full power, even if he had only been sensed after absorbing Good Boo. It's a similar situation to Piccolo perceiving Freeza's transformation as a huge power up, without actually seeing it, so Goku could have felt him throughout when he made that comment. Then we have Vegeta thinking that Pure Evil Boo would be more manageable, but it's not like he doesn't underestimate his opponents, as he did with Pure Boo. It's convenient to make Pure Evil Boo stronger on a pure naming convention, since Evil was made out to be stronger than Pure, even if Good Boo was tainting him. Here's a few magical numbers:

Pure Evil Boo - 8
Evil Boo - 6.4
Pure Boo - 4
Majin Boo - 1.6
Good Boo - 0.8

And they can be multiplied by each other in several combinations that the same numbers will be accomplished. I'm talking about Pure Evil Boo times Good Boo being the same as Pure Boo times Majin Boo.

[Bullza]

Seems like there's diving opinions.

I suppose it's possible that Good Buu could have say a third of Fat Buu's power and still be above SSJ2 Vegeta.

For example

SSJ2 Vegeta - 100
Good Buu - 120
Evil Buu - 240
Fat Buu - 360
SSJ3 Goku - 400

[Desassina]

It doesn't need to be a split opinion, but there's this misconception that Pure Evil Boo is not as strong as Majin Boo, because he split from him. Well, not a really a misconception as it is one interpretation, but consider the implications:
- at the end of the Boo saga, you had twice the Majin Boo fighting each other with their original power (Pure and Majin Boo).
- when Evil Boo existed, it was Pure Evil Boo with Good Boo absorbed, who's weaker than the original fat Majin Boo.
- therefore, in order to have the same result, Pure Evil Boo must be stronger than Pure Boo and Evil Boo.

Now, the manga supports the notion that Majin Boo's evil swelled up with his anger, and came out flying as another Boo, who is, in my opinion, a variation of South Kaioshin Boo, as the strongest single Boo. When two of them join, the end result is better than having Pure Boo with both Kais, and Majin Boo could have released the portion of him that is without suppression (i.e. Pure Boo with South Kaioshin). Good Boo would be Pure Boo with only Dai Kaioshin's influence. The scheme below explains things better.

[ssbgoku]

Seems like there's diving opinions.

I suppose it's possible that Good Buu could have say a third of Fat Buu's power and still be above SSJ2 Vegeta.

For example

SSJ2 Vegeta - 100
Good Buu - 120
Evil Buu - 240
Fat Buu - 360
SSJ3 Goku - 400

That would be the closest to correct statement, however it may not that case...I mean in dragon ball super it seems characters are as strong as plot demands at the moment, hardly caring for continuity or being progress from previous power level in universe. In other words Mr. Buu could be even as strong as ssj3 as buu's anger always played factor and Akira even called maijn buu's power bottomless and teryfing of which buu is not even aware of and can not surface it.

This way Akira setup possiblity of explaining that Mr buu is as strong as fat buu just because he managed to tap into this bottomless power even if a bit.

[Bullza]

The thing is though, if Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu and Good Buu and Evil Buu make up the power of Fat Buu....then why is Good Buu able to put up a better fight against Kid Buu than he did against Evil Buu?

The Good Buu vs Kid Buu fight would sorta suggest that Fat Buu didn't lose any power.

[rereboy]

The Good Buu vs Kid Buu fight would sorta suggest that Fat Buu didn't lose any power.

The narrator says he did.

[Bullza]

In the anime or the manga?

[rereboy]

In the anime or the manga?

Manga.

This is from herms' guide:

Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

As I said before, it seems clear.

[Bullza]

Oh right, it doesn't say anything like that in the Viz manga. It just says that sweetness stands little chance against concentrated wrath.

Looks like he did get weaker then.

[dragonballer]

Oh right, it doesn't say anything like that in the Viz manga. It just says that sweetness stands little chance against concentrated wrath.

Looks like he did get weaker then.

mr.buu could be different from good buu.

somthing like this:

good buu: 90% daikaioshin , 20% buu , 20% south kaioshin

pure evil buu: 10% daikaioshin (buu still has his clothes) , 80% buu , 80% south kaioshin

super buu: 100% daikaioshin, 100% buu , 100% south kaioshin

kid buu: 100% buu

mr.buu: 100% daikaioshin, 20% buu, 100% south kaioshin

mr.buu could be stronger because he reabsorbed the two kaioshin's power when he was inside super buu.

[Smilodon]

I think he became weaker. And in power scale I think is more like:

Let's compare all of them with cars. So we have 2 numbers:
The top speed is the true potential of him.
The max speed that he get is what he shows up.

So now:

Fat Boo = Top speed is 200 km/h (evil + good + Kaioshins). The max is 160 Km/h
Super Boo = Top speed is 200 km/h (like fat boo, he has the same potential). The max is 185 km/h
Kid Boo = Top speed is 180 km/h (pure evil). The max is 180 km/h
Good Boo = Top speed is 140 km/h (only the good part) and the max is 140 km/h.

[Hitiro]

He is not. Skinny buu wasn't felt from kaioshin planet while super buu was, SS3 goku (likely suppressed) was, Kid buu was, etc.

Nobody noted that Fat Boo's power vanished from the Kaioshin Planet when he split either. Just because we don't get a line doesn't mean that they didn't sense him.