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Am i the only one who thinks the writers of DB Super have been stalking or keeping track of this whole Goku vs Superman debate and now try to make Goku's parallel with Superman even more.
First let's look at Super Saiyan God and Goku's battle with Beerus. This battle alone shot what people perceived Goku's capability up by a lot. Many people who thought goku was only massively hypersonic+ now list him as Massively FTL. Goku was once thought to be Solar system level he is now considered Galaxy+. It just seems like the writers or Toriyama created the whole battle to TELL EVERYONE HOW POWERFUL GOKU IS AND PUT HIM ON PAR WITH SUPERMAN.
In the recent DB Super another striking parallel has occurred. Superman has a villain called the parasite who steals people powers for a set time period by touching them.
Now look at parasite color scheme to the recent villain.
Very similar in color and ability. Are the writers trying to make Goku more like Superman ?
I think that you haven't presented sufficient evidence to justify your claims in the slightest.
EDIT: Just realized you're the "Robot Chicken - Dragon Ball Z" guy. Seriously dude, double check that your thread has sufficient substance before you create it.
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I've thought they've kept up with the Goku vs Superman debate since we first heard about DBS, because how couldn't they? It's probably the biggest rivalry in all of fandom and it shows how valuable the Dragon Ball franchise really is. I believe the first Goku vs Superman death battle is what really kicked the new movies/ new series into motion.
SaiyaSith wrote:I believe the first Goku vs Superman death battle is what really kicked the new movies/ new series into motion.
The first ScrewAttack Goku vs Superman vid came out a couple of months, before BoG was released in Japan. It had no bearing on that, as BoG obviously was announced all the way back in summer 2012.
Also saying Screwattack's death battles are what kicked things into motion seems like extreme wishful thinking. There's no way they have that kind of power over the DB franchise or any popular franchise for that matter.
As for all the ridiculousness in Super, I have repeatedly stated, that it seems like the Toei writers have gone all in, when it comes to pleasing the fans and perhaps their own preferences.
Every filler-like episode just seems to confirm that viewpoint.
SaiyaSith wrote:I believe the first Goku vs Superman death battle is what really kicked the new movies/ new series into motion.
The first ScrewAttack Goku vs Superman vid came out a couple of months, before BoG was released in Japan. It had no bearing on that, as BoG obviously was announced all the way back in summer 2012.
Also saying Screwattack's death battles are what kicked things into motion seems like extreme wishful thinking. There's no way they have that kind of power over the DB franchise or any popular franchise for that matter.
The first Goku vs Superman Death Battle video has 36 million views so there's no way they haven't seen it since thousands of people must have sent it to them. You're right about the movies but I bet it had at least some effect with the series. Having your character be the biggest rival of the most popular comic book hero of all time must be very flattering.
I'm almost certain that writers of Super have no idea about the Goku/Superman debate, and have been inflating the strength of characters like Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis, because they are essentially the central characters in the new content, and in typical Toei fashion, they must be super, duper, ultra stronger, faster and more special than anyone else in the cast when the plot demands for it. It's basically GT all over again.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm almost certain that writers of Super have no idea about the Goku/Superman debate, and have been inflating the strength of characters like Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis, because they are essentially the central characters in the new content, and in typical Toei fashion, they must be super, duper, ultra stronger, faster and more special than anyone else in the cast when the plot demands for it. It's basically GT all over again.
It's literally impossible for them not know about the Goku vs Superman debate, unless they're prisoners locked in a cell without internet access. Judging how they discovered Toyotaro and how similar the multiverse tournament is to the last arc, it would be silly to think otherwise. They listen to fans hence the fan service. I do agree that they were going to make characters stronger anyways, but there's no way tons of people didn't send them Goku Vs Superman stuff such as the Death battle videos. It's extremely popular.
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm almost certain that writers of Super have no idea about the Goku/Superman debate, and have been inflating the strength of characters like Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis, because they are essentially the central characters in the new content, and in typical Toei fashion, they must be super, duper, ultra stronger, faster and more special than anyone else in the cast when the plot demands for it. It's basically GT all over again.
It's literally impossible for them not know about the Goku vs Superman debate, unless they're prisoners locked in a cell without internet access. Judging how they discovered Toyotaro and how similar the multiverse tournament is to the last arc, it would be silly to think otherwise. They listen to fans hence the fan service. I do agree that they were going to make characters stronger anyways, but there's no way tons of people didn't send them Goku Vs Superman stuff such as the Death battle videos. It's extremely popular.
Not sure how much the death battle of goku vs superman has had an impact in Japan, honestly.
sangofe wrote:Not sure how much the death battle of goku vs superman has had an impact in Japan, honestly.
Considering how many millions of people watched it, and how similar Goku's origins are to Superman, I'd say it got at least some kind of attention from the staff.
SaiyaSith wrote:
It's literally impossible for them not know about the Goku vs Superman debate
No, it isn't. It's unlikely, but not impossible.
how similar the multiverse tournament is to the last arc
The Universe 6 Arc and Multiverse only share that it's a tournament between fighters from different universes, other then that the similarities are usual for a tournament arc.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Goku vs. Superman is more of a western thing. American comic books don't sell that great over in Japan. I highly doubt Toei or Toriyama watch any of the Death Battles of Goku vs. Superman. Not to mention Goku vs. Superman is a hot debate long before Death Battle even existed.
inb4 the dragon balls are made of orange krytonite.
Goku would beat Superman because Goku always finds a weakness or whole in an opponents game.
We all saw with Kid Buu, Goku isn't against using the Dragon to defeat enemies.
He'd wish for Krytonite.
I can almost guarantee that none of them probably even heard of Goku vs Superman or even came across that time of idea for 2 heroes to fight each other. Even if they did knew about Goku vs Superman debate i doubt they could understand english let alone search up death battle video and understand the reasoning behind superman victory.
In my opinion i think majority japanese people who heard or saw superman probably only know as much about him as how movies had portray him, a crime fighter super hero. Not some cosmic level god like being that could bench press galaxies, lift black holes and infinite page books or create life from a rock which what superman prime one million managed to do.
And even if we use all these feats that Goku managed, the problem is there are still many flaws in Goku that Superman could easily just pshhh... Like Goku still cant survive in space! Why? I have no idea! But thats going to be a big dissadvantage if he was to fight superman again in another death battle or something. If Goku decided to step it up and destroy the sun, it would wipe out solar system and Goku would have to teleport to another planet but that would require somebodys ki source like king kai? namekians? nah that would be illogial and probably an outside help. Unless Goku becomes cosmic being like beerus and whis, Superman will still kill him in the end.
I doubt they're referencing Goku vs Superman fan stuff, but at the same time some people in the thread are under bizarre impression that Japanese artists have no clue about english/global art, media and pop culture and that internet doesn't exist there nor English language is taught extensively since elementary schools (with average readig skills being way better than speaking tho)
