The revival wish after beating Cell

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:42 pm

"Revive all those killed by Cell..."

Good wish, but it seems they forgot a lot of people...

*Everyone killed by #19 and Dr. Gero
*The truck driver who runs right into the back of Vegeta when he's fighting #18

Couldn't they have said "Everyone killed since May 12th except Dr. Gero, Cell, the Cell Juniors, and #19?"

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:43 pm

Maybe they didn't want to be greedy! I'm sure bringing back the dead is a lot of work for Shenlong.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:57 pm

Well, I guess the most ligical thing would be that Toriyama forgot those people. It wouldn't be the first time. The same stuff happened in some of the movies, too (I forget which ones).

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:23 pm

Well Android 16 was pure mechanical meaning he was never alive to begin with..

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:38 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:Well Android 16 was pure mechanical meaning he was never alive to begin with..

...That's harsh, man. Android 16 played with the little birds instead of killing... he is Z's variation of Android 8... They both have souls and they are alive in their own special way... Shenlong just had a brain fart and forgot.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat May 13, 2006 6:20 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
DBZ MAN wrote:Well Android 16 was pure mechanical meaning he was never alive to begin with..
...That's harsh, man. Android 16 played with the little birds instead of killing... he is Z's variation of Android 8... They both have souls and they are alive in their own special way... Shenlong just had a brain fart and forgot.

No, #16 was purely mechanical, and thus had no soul, which is why we never see him again in heaven, hell, or alive. #8 had a soul, atleast in The Path to Ultimate Strength, in which he was wished back to life, which is only possible of those who have souls, meaning #8 was a human being at one point, unlike #16.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sat May 13, 2006 6:32 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote: No, #16 was purely mechanical, and thus had no soul, which is why we never see him again in heaven, hell, or alive. #8 had a soul, atleast in The Path to Ultimate Strength, in which he was wished back to life, which is only possible of those who have souls, meaning #8 was a human being at one point, unlike #16.

Well... I was being somewhat sarcastic in 16's defense, since he's such a nice character, but since you want to get all technical... I doubt that Android 8 was perviously human in either the series or Path to Ultimate Strength... in the latter, when he was blown to bits, there were no signs of any organic insides.
It is somewhat difficult to tell, though. In the confines of the series, I believe that both 8 and 16 were meant to represent the 'soul-less and longing' cliche, and by the end of their story they had medaphorically achieved a soul. You can't listen to 16 try to reassure Gohan and say that there's nothin in that big tin-man's heart.
But I think the real reason #16 wasn't brought back was just because it would have lessened the emotional impact of his sacrifice for Gohan.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:21 pm

The people killed by Vegeta and Nappa when they arrived on Earth were never wished back either.

Cyberman · Post by **Cyberman** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:46 pm

Or the farmer Radditz killed.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:19 pm

Cyberman wrote:Or the farmer Radditz killed.

Well, they didn't know that Raditz had killed someone. Even though his body would be near the battle area. Hm, would be kinda funny... "Oh look guys! This farmer was killed! Let's gather the dragonballs!!"

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:25 pm

Bura wrote:Well, they didn't know that Raditz had killed someone. Even though his body would be near the battle area. Hm, would be kinda funny... "Oh look guys! This farmer was killed! Let's gather the dragonballs!!"

I just got this picture in my head of Shenlong like '...one farmer? Come on, guys. I was okay with this when the pig was askin for panties... but I think you guys just miss me sometimes'

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:43 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
Bura wrote:Well, they didn't know that Raditz had killed someone. Even though his body would be near the battle area. Hm, would be kinda funny... "Oh look guys! This farmer was killed! Let's gather the dragonballs!!"
I just got this picture in my head of Shenlong like '...one farmer? Come on, guys. I was okay with this when the pig was askin for panties... but I think you guys just miss me sometimes'

Yeah, I'm thinking the Z gang only wants to us the DragonBalls to wish back multiple people (at least in the later sagas). No one's gonna miss one farmer...

My other excuse besides the one in my previous post is that everyone was just so caught up in Goku's death that they didn't have the brainpower to think of the wording of their wish. I mean, Yamcha even wanted to wish for some money at one time...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:25 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking the Z gang only wants to us the DragonBalls to wish back multiple people (at least in the later sagas). No one's gonna miss one farmer...

Dude was ugly, anyway.

Vaeran · Post by **Vaeran** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:07 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Dude was ugly, anyway.

"Shenlong, please bring back to life all the hot people killed by the Saiyajin."

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun May 14, 2006 2:50 am

I always thought that since Vegeta and Nappa hadn't openly rebelled against Freeza until they actually fought the heroes, East City might count...

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:14 am

Thanos6 wrote:I always thought that since Vegeta and Nappa hadn't openly rebelled against Freeza until they actually fought the heroes, East City might count...

Thinking in Freeza, the namekians killed by Vegeta stayed dead didn't they?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:46 am

Thanos6 wrote:I always thought that since Vegeta and Nappa hadn't openly rebelled against Freeza until they actually fought the heroes, East City might count...

Well no, they were still rebelling. Vegeta took it upon himself to go with Nappa to Earth without informing Freeza to get the dragonballs for himself.

DB_Fan wrote:Thinking in Freeza, the namekians killed by Vegeta stayed dead didn't they?

Yes. Since the wish was for everyone killed by Freeza and his henchmen, the ones from the village Vegeta attacked weren't revived since Vegeta wasn't working for Freeza by then.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun May 14, 2006 10:29 am

Artificial Human #8 wasn't "wished back to life" techinically so much as it was worded... "Make him the way he was before" which can be looked at as something different...

I think the case of the wish mentioned in the initial post is that Toriyama-sama kinda forgot about things..and he was hoping to end Dragonball anyway.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sun May 14, 2006 9:28 pm

Duo wrote:Artificial Human #8 wasn't "wished back to life" techinically so much as it was worded... "Make him the way he was before" which can be looked at as something different...

True. Goku basically wished for Shenlong to repair him.

#16 doesn't have a soul, though. He's a robot.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Sun May 14, 2006 9:35 pm

Well, I hate to bring GT logic into the conversation...

But, android 19 was on earth when the hole to hell was opened.

And he was a full robot too.

Therefore he must have had a soul of some sort. Or at least some kind of "robo-soul".

But it is GT...