If the Fusion was introduced earlier in Dragon Ball?

[Berserker1921]

Would a lot of things change? Would the battles become easier thanks to fusion? Or do you think no one would care to use it unless they wanted to? Say a time patroller came to various time periods in the dragon ball time line. What would happen and how would this affect the timeline? This can either be the Fusion dance or potara bearings.

1. The fight against piccolo sr?
2. Raditz saga?
3. Frieza saga?
4. First appearance of the androids?
5. Cell games?


(Note I can't find the what if post. so please forgive me)

[Grimlock]

The fusion was introduced in Freeza saga, Piccolo and Nail were the first ones to merge. It all depends on who is merging with who.

[MadSaiyantist]

The fusion was introduced in Freeza saga, Piccolo and Nail were the first ones to merge. It all depends on who is merging with who.

I think he means Fusion Dance and Potara.

Piccolo Daimao arc wouldn't see much Fusion since Krillin would be dead. Krillin was really be the only person with a similar body type to Goku. Master Roshi has the same problem. There's no one with a similar body type. I doubt Tenshinhan would want to fuse with anyone and again, no one on his level with a similar body type.

Raditz Arc probably wouldn't see Fusion either. Piccolo was a different character at that point and likely wouldn't want to fuse. The Goku/Piccolo alliance was already forced by the situation.

Frieza Arc is the first one I think fusion could play a role in. First thought that comes to mind is Potential Unlocked Krillin and Gohan. They have similar body types and are able to suppress and swell their Ki at will. The two of them would be open to fusion without a doubt. Honestly their Fusion could probably take down the Ginyu Force. Vegeta wouldn't want to fuse this early in his character arc. Maybe when he realized that Frieza was an absolute monster (Final Form) but even then it's debatable. If he fused it would probably be with Goku (Post Rejuvenation aka 3 million) who would have to lower his Ki to synchronize. At that point, Vegetto could likely defeat Frieza with a Kaioken x20.

Appearance of the Androids. I'm assuming 16, 17, 18 because 19 and 20 were easily defeated. Vegeta wouldn't want to fuse with Trunks. That's basically the only combination I can think of. Gohan is above Krillin at this point.

Cell Games. Most likely a fusion between Goku and Gohan is what we would see. Vegeta still wouldn't want to fuse with Trunks. A "Full Power Ssj Gokhan" would most likely be able to kill Perfect Cell not to mention that Ssj2 would completely blow him out of the water.

Feel free to correct any mistakes I may have made.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The fusion was introduced in Freeza saga, Piccolo and Nail were the first ones to merge. It all depends on who is merging with who.

While technically correct, he does specify the fusion dance or the Potara earrings.

Anyway, let's see here...

1. The Fight Against Piccolo Daimao - Without changing a lot of things, I'd say the best option here would be Goku and Tenshinhan merging via the Potara earrings (due to their height and power being too different probably to fuse with the dance). Goku's new found strength still proves too little to deter Daimao, so he tosses the Potara to Tenshinhan, and the resulting Gokushinhan/Tenku manages to turn the tide against him at last. Not quite sure where that leaves everyone going forward though. Maybe Kami somehow has the power to de-fuse them, or maybe when the Dragon Balls are allowed to come back, Kami somehow bypasses the usual restrictions and allows Shenron to grant two wishes this one time only, the first to wish everyone who died back to life, and the second to return the fused being to Goku and Tenshinhan. Either way, Tenshinhan is probably granted the right to train with Popo and Kami as well as Goku, and as a result their fight at the tournament is either a lot more intense (which is saying something), or we get an entirely different tournament setup (probably with Tenshinhan getting a crack at Piccolo and failing).

2. Saiyan Saga - I know this one said 'Raditz Saga' but I'm going to go with Saiyan Saga as a whole. Against Raditz particularly, it'd have to be the Potara earrings again due to Goku and Piccolo's different bodies. The resulting Goccolo/Piccoku is able to thoroughly thrash Raditz, and instead of using the Dragon Balls to wish Goku back later, they use them to unfuse the two. Not sure where things would go from there to get Goku more properly trained...maybe it would be better to just have the dance work even though their bodies are really different, and the fusion actually somehow fail and have them then switch to the actual plan and Goku dies and comes back later with Kaio's training under his belt.

Either way, next would be the Nappa fight. If we could get Tiencha/Yamuhan in there, then Nappa would have a bit harder of a time, though he might well still be too strong for the 'super' human to take down in the end. Either way, once Goku shows up, it'd probably pretty quickly turn into the him and Goku duel we all know and love pretty quickly. After that though, when Gohan and Kuririn return to help stall Vegeta long enough for Goku to form the Genki Dama, a Kurihan/Gohirin fusion could be pretty handy at doing just that. For both of these later-saga fusions, I'm definitely thinking of the Dance not the Potara.

3. Freeza Saga - This one has so many different little parts in it that it's kind of hard to figure out where fusion would really be needed, but the more I think of it...it's pretty much only about three parts that I can think of. During the Recoome fight, a return of the Gohan/Kuririn fusion could be handy in stalling him but probably still not work out too well in the end. During the fight with Ginyu himself, an earlier appearance of Gogeta could be a way to take down Ginyu if we ditched the body changing angle and just made him a heck of a lot stronger than he already is...though convincing Vegeta at this stage of the story to fuse with anyone would be really, really hard. Then moving to the Freeza fight itself...again, the Gohan/Kuririn fusion could be a good way to hold out longer, particularly against his second and third forms. For the fourth form though, I can't really see Vegeta, who would probably still be banking on his 'Super Saiyan' status, agreeing to fuse with Piccolo or even Goku (assuming he was in any shape to fuse anyway) once he arrived. If he did though, I could see them maybe opting for the Potara version if they could, if we go with the commonly held thought of Vegito being stronger by a decent amount. If they did fuse, Freeza would probably be thoroughly trounced until forced to use his full power. Once using his full power, he'd probably be so pissed as a result that he'd try blowing up the planet and offing a few people like Kuririn and Piccolo as he did anyway, and boom, Super Saiyan Vegito. Even being far weaker than the Super Vegito we know from canon, he'd probably still trounce Freeza pretty easily at this point.

4. Androids Saga - Again, I'm kinda co-opting the suggested idea for my own here, to run through things more thoroughly (at least from my own POV). In the future timeline, I could almost see a Vegeta/Piccolo fusion being tried to stop the Androids, but the resulting Vegeccolo/Picgeta still fails to stop them and is killed. Gohan probably would have been training Trunks with the end game being a Gotrunks/Trunkhan fusion (of either variety) being what beats the Androids, but he is killed before they can really try. In the main timeline, Trunks still manages to kill Freeza and Cold with no help obviously, though as an interesting twist - what if Freeza somehow managed to pick up on Fusion from witnessing it on Namek, and thus we get some kind of Freeza/Cold fusion? ...I'll call it Frigid for the hell of it. Anyway, either Trunks beats him handily, or Vegeta runs out and we get some kind of Vegetrunks/Trungeta mergure that's able to beat it, or something. At this point I'm just spitballing for 'rule of cool' here. Either way, he tells everyone about the Androids, everyone trains, and things move on as normal.

Going up against Android 19, Goku could maybe consider fusing with Piccolo again, but for some reason it doesn't work (thinking of the dance here, and they have no Potara available at this point for whatever reason). They try not to think about it too much and he fights 19 alone, and seemingly it's enough anyway, until the heart virus kicks in. Someone, maybe Gohan, brings up the idea that they couldn't fuse because of it either, Piccolo's healthy body rejecting Goku's sickly one, or something, I'unno. Again, spitballing, I'm thinking of this all from a 'how could the story play out' point of view rather than strength levels as established in the series proper if you haven't noticed yet. From there, Vegeta arrives and beats 19 and ends up chasing 20, leading to the awakening of 17 and 18. Either the return of a Vegeta/Trunks fusion or a Vegeta/Piccolo fusion could maybe happen here but...again, I'm thinking Vegeta's arrogance would make him think he could handle things on his own. More likely probably is some kind of fusion happening between Piccolo and Trunks, and the resulting Piccunks/Trunccolo is still unable to win - maybe he's able to take one or the other, but not both combined. Logically the same would happen between any kind of Kuririn/Tenshinhan fusion, a Kurinhan/Tenririn if you will. From there, a certain second time machine would still be found, and then...

5. Cell Saga - We'd likely still get our standard Piccolo and Kami merging together again, and encountering Cell first. Cell likewise manages to get away, everyone starts doing their own training, and Piccolo goes to fight the Androids on his own again - though maybe for the point of interest and opening up more options, Kuririn, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan end up following along after all. Piccolo fights 17 on his own easily enough with his new power-up, but once Cell shows up and it becomes more of a matter of stopping 17 from being absorbed, he quickly calls Tenshinhan over to fuse with him (via the dance, again let's assume they're out of Potara for most time periods where we don't have the Dragon Balls readily available to un-fuse the with, or that they just don't want to use them because of that), but the resulting Picshinhan/Tenccolo is still beaten. 17 gets absorbed, and Kuririn and Yamcha fuse into Kuricha/Yamirin and take Tenshinhan's normal place in the story to hold him back long enough for 18 and 16 to escape. Vegeta and Trunks exit the time chamber, and while fusion would definitely be something Trunks might push for, I don't see Vegeta accepting it against second form Cell. The only way his arrogance would work there is if we made the second form so absurdly strong that their training was for naught and only there to make the resulting fusion stronger anyway. Against Perfect Cell though? Maybe if Vegeta didn't get wrecked so quickly, the Vegeta/Trunks fusion could make a comeback and still not be enough though.

Moving into the Cell Games though, things would probably stay pretty much the same as they were, though for the sideline fights against the Cell Juniors, I could definitely see a few different fusions already mentioned above coming out to play, chiefly the Vegeta/Trunks and Yamcha/Tenshinhan ones. Maybe with the Dragon Balls back in play again too, Piccolo and Kuririn would go with a Potara fusion for the first time too, becoming the clearly mighty Piccirin/Kuriccolo. Actually, given the Dragon Balls being back in play and this being life-or-death, all three of these duos might try the Potara, with the idea being that at this point, it's all or nothing, and that maybe they can try rushing Cell while Goku tries to urge Gohan to release his full power. Either way, 16 gives his final speech, Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, and starts to wreck Cell but his new bloodthirst makes him too cocky, and Cell still ends up trying to self-destruct, resulting in Goku teleporting to Kaio's with him. Cell survives, is much stronger, teleports back and kills Trunks or maybe even the Trunks/Vegeta fusion if they did use Potara, and Gohan has to fight again. If Vegeta is dead by proxy, then Cell is just strong enough to hurt Gohan. If he's not, then the same emotional outburst by Vegeta causes it. Either way, Goku talks to Gohan from the afterlife, the surviving fighters all attack Cell from behind, perhaps in fused form, and Goku is finally able to get Gohan to unleash it all, everything he's got. The biggest difference here though? Gohan's power is played up/described as being something that only he, one individual, could do, highlighting it only as something an individual could do rather than the fusions that had been running so rampant for a while there.

...and then the Boo saga somehow operates without Fusion at all as a result. I'm not even going to begin tinkering with how that one would work, at least not right now.

[Grimlock]

Yeah, I read fast. Though I keep what I said, both Fusion Dance and Potara depend on who is merging with whom, there are some cases that would help the situation or even overcome it, but there are some that would just get worse. Kuririn and Yamcha fusing would hardly be able to take on Nappa and Vegeta, their power levels wouldn't be enough as they had below 1.000, if I remember correctly, by the middle to end of Saiyan saga. Now, if we're talking about Goku post-Zenkai and recovery (Freeza arc) and Vegeta before his last fight against Freeza, whichever fusion would be enough to take down the tyrant.

I can see stuff like this happening in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 3, if they want to explore the world of Dragon Ball in an even bigger way.

[apex_pretador]

The fight against Red Ribbon Army
I can perfectly see goku and krillin fusing whenever needed and thrashing any strong enemy (if encountered).

The fight against piccolo
Krillin is dead, Roshi is dead, Chiaotzu is dead, Goku is (supposedly) dead.

It is up to Yamcha and tenshinhan (who have become friends after the tournament incident) to defeat piccolo. They learn fusion and decide to go up against him. They easily kill drum, who is stated to be "even stronger than my old form" by piccolo. Now piccolo himself goes up against the fusion, completely stomping him, to the point where goku needs to save them. Goku vs piccolo goes on the same, except Yamcha is the one whose head is grabbed as a bait.

23rd Tournament
Goes the same, except when tenshinhan describes Kami's power as "even stronger than what a fusion between me and Yamcha will be" when he is in shen's body.
They imply in the final battle that even if they fuse, they will be no match for piccolo (tired). It raises the stakes.

BoZ
Goes the same.

Saiyan arc
I can see Yamcha and tenshinhan doing fusion to fight nappa, while krillin seems as helpless as he was. Yamahan dies after a good fight against nappa, but weakens him enough so that piccolo / krillin / gohan can hold him till goku arrives. Else is the same.
Their fusion is now more powerful than piccolo.

Namek arc

Interestingly, this will be really changed. Krillin will teach gohan fusion, and we'll see "kurihan / gorillin" a couple of times - including escaping Dodoria, fighting vegeta (after potential unlock) , fighting Jeece (while vegeta fights recoome).

Then, we'll see cap G in goku's body having PL of 55,000 instead of 23,000, and thanks to fusion, they can stall him long enough to vegeta to heal.

We also see him fight freeza first form with vegeta.
Rest goes the same, except I can see gohan asking vegeta to fuse, & getting slapped.

Android arc

The humans make a comeback here with fusion - Yamahan trying to save goku against #19 when goku gets his ass kicked, and being a good energy source for dr gero. Rest goes same except krillin-gohan fusion is deemed useless because Gohan has made a lot of progress with Goku & Piccolo.
Trunks and goku might use fusion as super saiyans to beat androids, or maybe not.

Future android arc

I can see gohan teaching trunks fusion, and waiting him to grow up so that they could use fusion. However, gohan's murder spoils this, goes the same.


Everything else remains the same.

[Nejishiki]

The final step to Karin's training could instruct Goku to fuse with Upa for a boost to counter Tao Pai Pai. That allows the latter to avenge his father temporarily and the rest of the story could proceed normally.

[dario03]

I think it would depend on a lot of things.

How strong is fusion? Isn't there some line in the guide books that say the fusion dance is tens of times stronger, and another that says it is greater than SS? So that would put it at least (a+b)x25 or maybe at least (a+b)x50, or assuming ~equal level just say 50x+ or 100x+. But I know some would say it can't be any where near that high since SS1 Gotenks ~ SS3 Goku which would mean the boys would have to be much weaker than Goku. And theres the line about Goten not being far from Gohan in SS1. And Gohan isn't typically seen as that far from Goku when in the same form during the Buu saga. Unless fusion changes the multiplier of the SS forms but then that would just bring up a bunch more questions. So some might just say its something like (a+b)x5 and some might go with something much much higher like (a+b)x50 or more, which would make a huge difference. And of course theres Potara as well.

When does fusion come in? Whenever it comes in, it would probably beat whoever the current opponent was (if the 2 strongest Z warriors fuse) but how would it affect the story and would it beat the later enemy?
Lets say when Raditz arrives Piccolo and Goku fuse some how and it makes Gokolo/Piku who is 10x Goku. That would make him so strong that he could instantly defeat Raditz. Raditz might not even hear of the Dragon Balls. So would Vegeta and Napa come to Earth? They wouldn't be coming for a wish. So how would the story play out?
Or what if Raditz did hear about the Dragon Balls or Vegeta decides to go to Earth to learn about Fusion? Goku wouldn't have died so he wouldn't go to King Kai. If Raditz tells them that Vegeta is coming then the fusion would probably be enough, but what if he doesn't? Without any special training Goku and Piccolo might only be around 500pl so a 10x boost would put them far below Vegeta's 18,000pl. But if it was a 100x boost then they would be fine.
Except that Freeza was spying on them so what if he shows up later? Again since Goku and Piccolo probably wouldn't have become much stronger their fusion even if 100x wouldn't be any where near enough to stop first form Freeza or even Ginyu if he was there.