Question about "potential" unlocked

[Kishido]

Some of you know that I hate the whole Mystic Gohan stuff and everything...

But something bothers me... Gohan's potential was already unlocked in Namek... So why was Elder Kai able to do it again.

And if Elder Kai was able to get out everything of Mystic Gohan. What would happen if Gohan would keep up training like his father?

Last question... Why not everyone of the half-saiyans let ther potential be unlocked... Same goes for Goku and Vegeta? Or have they already surpassed their natural potential?

[Ki Breaker]

On namek only a little bit of potential was taken out form gohan.. Guru was old and if my memory serves correctly, was even looking tired after that much..

On the other hand elder kai took out all of gohan's potential of that time...
take it as that was what would have happened if he kept on training up till that point of time.. Now if he keeps on training after that too, he will increase at his faster pace, as he has more potential.. And achieve what goku and vegeta to 10 years to achieve in, say 3 years..

And as of why other don't get their potential unlocked, they have so little potential that unlocking won't make much difference any way..
Also here fighters have pride, the same logic applies why not everybody knows IT, nobody is gonna go begging the old kai for it and will only accept it if asked by old kai himself..
Lastly even to make old kai help them when buu was loose he had to be bribed.. Why will he do that now if nothing is at stake and if the results are so insignificant anyway..

Goten and trunks got SS handed to them as both their parents were SS when they were born.. They even after training in ROSAT couldn't get ss2 themselves, only could get fusion to get ss3 as fusion is so ridiculously OP anyway..
On the other hand gohan when conceived his father was weak, got nothing handed to him, still after his time in ROSAT he not only achieve a new form but was able to master it and get another new form just a few days later..

[Konig]

Last question... Why not everyone of the half-saiyans let ther potential be unlocked... Same goes for Goku and Vegeta? Or have they already surpassed their natural potential?

Goku had his potential unlocked by the chōshinsui, back in Dragon Ball, so I think the unlock performed by the Elder Kai would have no effect on him.

[Kishido]

On namek only a little bit of potential was taken out form gohan.. Guru was old and if my memory serves correctly, was even looking tired after that much..

On the other hand elder kai took out all of gohan's potential of that time...
take it as that was what would have happened if he kept on training up till that point of time.. Now if he keeps on training after that too, he will increase at his faster pace, as he has more potential.. And achieve what goku and vegeta to 10 years to achieve in, say 3 years..

And as of why other don't get their potential unlocked, they have so little potential that unlocking won't make much difference any way..
Also here fighters have pride, the same logic applies why not everybody knows IT, nobody is gonna go begging the old kai for it and will only accept it if asked by old kai himself..
Lastly even to make old kai help them when buu was loose he had to be bribed.. Why will he do that now if nothing is at stake and if the results are so insignificant anyway..

Goten and trunks got SS handed to them as both their parents were SS when they were born.. They even after training in ROSAT couldn't get ss2 themselves, only could get fusion to get ss3 as fusion is so ridiculously OP anyway..
On the other hand gohan when conceived his father was weak, got nothing handed to him, still after his time in ROSAT he not only achieve a new form but was able to master it and get another new form just a few days later..

Goten and Trunks have no potential?

[dbzfan7]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Guru awakened the sleeping power in a 5 yr old child. Surely Gohan would continue to get stronger since he was still a little kid. Bobbidi took Vegeta's dormant power beyond its limits, then we see him improve in Super. Potential isn't stagnant in the series.

[Kishido]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

Well this sounds OK... But still it is idiotic by everyone that they don't use this rituals.

Vegeta and Goku won't be there forever

[dbzfan7]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

Well this sounds OK... But still it is idiotic by everyone that they don't use this rituals.

Vegeta and Goku won't be there forever

Yes it is very idiotic everyone else does not use the super easy super convenient hand holding power up that greatly eclipses the Elder Kaioshins ritual. I wouldn't argue that.

Which doesn't really matter to the story. They'll be there in the end, and apparently the other characters do not care to rely on themselves, but just on them. It's sad, but that's unfortunately how it is.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

Well this sounds OK... But still it is idiotic by everyone that they don't use this rituals.

Vegeta and Goku won't be there forever

Yes it is very idiotic everyone else does not use the super easy super convenient hand holding power up that greatly eclipses the Elder Kaioshins ritual. I wouldn't argue that.

Which doesn't really matter to the story. They'll be there in the end, and apparently the other characters do not care to rely on themselves, but just on them. It's sad, but that's unfortunately how it is.

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

[dbzfan7]

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

There is absolutely nothing that says they can't do it. Especially considering they're bigger prodigies than Goku is, when the put their mind on something. Goku is not some special snow flake who is the only sole person who could do such a thing. They literally have every single time reached higher levels than Goku, at record setting times, every time they put their mind on something.

[ekrolo2]

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

There is absolutely nothing that says they can't do it. Especially considering they're bigger prodigies than Goku is, when the put their mind on something.

They're probably being kept down specifically because of how much better than Goku and Vegeta they are at getting stronger. I mean, if Gohan did the ritual in BOG, he'd be able to annihilate Whis since his Ultimate state is leaps and bounds stronger than Goku's base.

[Xeztin]

If you ask me "unlocking" one's potential is a bit weird in itself because one's potential is something someone sees in you or hidden power that can be reached. if you achieve your maximum potential at age 12 and can't get any stronger because the limits of your child body, then as you age say to 15, you should be stronger than at age 12. Though, wouldn't you have hidden potential again if you haven't utilized your full power of your 15 year old body like you did your 12 year old body? Therefore it can be unlocked again? I suppose we can look at nerd Gohan and say he hasn't reached the potential of his current body because he has slacked training unlike when he was a teenager when he trained rigorous and brought out his absolute maximum. I try to apply this to Gohan being unlocked twice, because he was older and could break the limits that his child or teenage body couldn't.

[dbzfan7]

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

There is absolutely nothing that says they can't do it. Especially considering they're bigger prodigies than Goku is, when the put their mind on something.

They're probably being kept down specifically because of how much better than Goku and Vegeta they are at getting stronger. I mean, if Gohan did the ritual in BOG, he'd be able to annihilate Whis since his Ultimate state is leaps and bounds stronger than Goku's base.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I would say they're kept down, because they don't want them being useful. Gotenks in a week accomplished what took Goku several years to achieve SSJ3. Gohan kept up and surpassed Goku during their training in less than a year. Goku has 2 decades on Gohan, and Gohan caught up and surpassed him. There isn't any criteria that says they couldn't absorb the power. It could be argued they wouldn't succeed on their first try, but they definitely could pull it off.

[ekrolo2]

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I would say they're kept down, because they don't want them being useful. Gotenks in a week accomplished what took Goku several years to achieve SSJ3. Gohan kept up and surpassed Goku during their training in less than a year. Goku has 2 decades on Gohan, and Gohan caught up and surpassed him. There isn't any criteria that says they couldn't absorb the power. It could be argued they wouldn't succeed on their first try, but they definitely could pull it off.

And useful equals powerful in Dragon Ball. I don't think it's ALL based on power, though, me thinks Toriyama just doesn't have anything interesting for the kids to say or do so he doesn't use them. And since he's kind of spearheading things, if anyone not Toriyama in the Super writing room wanted to do something with the kids, they kind of can't.

[GodKaio-Ken]

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

There is absolutely nothing that says they can't do it. Especially considering they're bigger prodigies than Goku is, when the put their mind on something. Goku is not some special snow flake who is the only sole person who could do such a thing. They literally have every single time reached higher levels than Goku, at record setting times, every time they put their mind on something.

He didn't do it on purpose and he doesn't even know how he did it...so yeah good luck with that. Even Beerus was shocked and he is a God. Goku did it in the heat of battle because it was required to save the world. So even if you want to say its possible you would have to recreate a life/death situation in order for it to work and who knows how many times you would have to try.

It's an absolutely ridiculous suggestion to me by your own standards. Here is my logic:

Vegeta reached a higher level without the ritual, so why would anyone waste their time with the ritual itself over and over again trying to make it work when its achievable through work in a lesser amount of time?

Also who are you saying should do the ritual? Goten and Trunks are WAAY too young to be able to do what you are implying. Future Trunks doesn't even know the ritual exists...so basically you're mad Gohan didn't do it?

Also Goku is special. Goku will always be 10 steps ahead of Gohan because of his personality type. Vegeta already has SSB power so we can exclude him. So who are we talking about that can do the ritual and has surpassed him?

[HeroR]

He didn't do it on purpose and he doesn't even know how he did it...so yeah good luck with that.

It is an opened question if Gohan and the others can maintained the memory of godhood. There is no doubt that Gohan, Trunks, and Goten can reach Super Saiyan God level the same way Vegeta did, a lot of hard work, but it's even money if they can just keep the power just by doing the ritual. Beerus and even Whis seemed to suggest that Goku was just special in that regard.

[GodKaio-Ken]

He didn't do it on purpose and he doesn't even know how he did it...so yeah good luck with that.

It is an opened question if Gohan and the others can maintained the memory of godhood. There is no doubt that Gohan, Trunks, and Goten can reach Super Saiyan God level the same way Vegeta did, a lot of hard work, but it's even money if they can just keep the power just by doing the ritual. Beerus and even Whis seemed to suggest that Goku was just special in that regard.

I'm not saying its impossible just rather that it's very unlikely. Especially for Goten and Kid Trunks who have a hard time being serious and don't really understand training...they are just naturally strong.

[dbzfan7]

The others doing the ritual would make absolutely no difference.

Goku wasn't supposed to retain any of the God Ki when his "time was up" as Beerus put it. He just happened to somehow absorb it in the heat of an intense battle. More than likely they could only go SSG for a very short period of time and would have to use the ritual each time they wanted to reach it.

There is absolutely nothing that says they can't do it. Especially considering they're bigger prodigies than Goku is, when the put their mind on something. Goku is not some special snow flake who is the only sole person who could do such a thing. They literally have every single time reached higher levels than Goku, at record setting times, every time they put their mind on something.

He didn't do it on purpose and he doesn't even know how he did it...so yeah good luck with that. Even Beerus was shocked and he is a God. Goku did it in the heat of battle because it was required to save the world. So even if you want to say its possible you would have to recreate a life/death situation in order for it to work and who knows how many times you would have to try.

It's an absolutely ridiculous suggestion to me by your own standards. Here is my logic:

Vegeta reached a higher level without the ritual, so why would anyone waste their time with the ritual itself over and over again trying to make it work when its achievable through work in a lesser amount of time?

Also who are you saying should do the ritual? Goten and Trunks are WAAY too young to be able to do what you are implying. Future Trunks doesn't even know the ritual exists...so basically you're mad Gohan didn't do it?

Also Goku is special. Goku will always be 10 steps ahead of Gohan because of his personality type. Vegeta already has SSB power so we can exclude him. So who are we talking about that can do the ritual and has surpassed him?

We are talking about people who are BIGGER prodigies than Goku are. Last I checked, being a prodigy is a huge theme of getting a shit ton of power and mastering things in a short amount of time. The recent candidate being Freeza himself. When have Gohan, Goten, and Trunks EVER had a harder time mastering or doing something, that Goku EVER did. Name one time they were taught or did something that took them more time to accomplish than Goku. Name one time they struggled more than Goku did. There hasn't been a time because they have always succeeded faster and easier than Goku ever has. Who even says it has to be recreated in a life or death situation? There are no rules to how to absorb SSJ God. None at all.

They didn't because literally everything Goku has ever accomplished, they have accomplished faster. SSJ3 takes Goku 7 years. It takes Gotenks one week. SSJ takes Goku years into his adult life to achieve, Gohan does it as a child after some tutelage., and the boys do it absolutely effortlessly without any training at all. Fusion dance took Goku weeks to perfect, Goten and Trunks do it in a couple days.

There is NOTHING that says they can't achieve the same thing Goku did. You can argue they can't because they haven't done it yet, which is fair enough. Vegeta didn't do the ritual as he said he wanted to do it under his own power. Nothing said he couldn't do it the ritual way if he wanted to. Gohan isn't into fighting and neither are the boys, which is why they don't do it. Til it's specifically said they can't do it, there isn't anything that says they can't do it that way. What says they can do it that way is by virtue of half breeds having more potential and growth than full bloods do. That doesn't guarantee they can, but it's a pretty good case for it.

Goku is ahead of Gohan because he doesn't care about fighting. If he was as adamant as Goku was, Gohan would be much farther ahead than Goku is. Goku even acknowledges that Gohan is superior to him when he puts his mind to it. He knows this. Goku is special, but not even close to the likes of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, or Freeza recently is. Just because they haven't used it, doesn't mean they can't. Unless you really think no one else can learn Kaio-Ken or Shunkan Ido, because nobody else tried to learn those moves.

[dragon ball truth]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

Do you mind providing the chapter that says gohan had no hidden power left after the old kai and he couldnt have anymore rage boosts? Footage or anything will do.

[dbzfan7]

Gohan was shown still having hidden power way before that. Even in the same arc. Gohan still shows rage boosts which are tapping into that hidden power. If Guru had unleashed all his power, Gohan shouldn't have had any rage boosts left. Like how after the Elder Kaioshin released his potential, he had no rage boosts left. He couldn't rely on that to beat Boo as he had everything at face value now.

Goten and Trunks could have some hidden power, but they don't care. I mean we have a hand holding power up that can be passed around like candy, and no one else uses it. So them not spreading around the Elder Kaioshin power up pretty much fits in line with that.

Gohan would get stronger. Simple as that. He just wouldn't have more hidden power now. Goku doesn't get stronger from hidden power from training, he just gets stronger. The same would apply to Gohan if he trained.

Do you mind providing the chapter that says gohan had no hidden power left after the old kai and he couldnt have anymore rage boosts? Footage or anything will do.

The entire ritual took out all of his hidden power, and took it way past it's limits. Where is he supposed to draw more hidden power when he has access to all of it? Rage boosts come from Gohan's hidden potential, and the Elder Kaioshin awakened all of it. They never call Gohan's rage boosts a thing outside of just it being his hidden power he taps into. There's not really any footage that mentions rage boosts as they never were named.