Why people think Vegetto SSB can beat Beerus or Whis?

[Lujin_16]

He don't even exist so why comparing them?? is this even possible with God ki Power?? When yes can i also create a fusion with Beerus and Whis

[Grimlock]

Because Vegito is the result of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku's power multiplied with the power of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta...

Also, a fusion between Beerus and Whis already exists.

[fadeddreams5]

Well, in RF, it was implied that if Goku and Vegeta worked together, they stood a chance of beating Beerus. Imagine if they fused. They'd wreck him through that logic.

That said, Vegito still likely wouldn't be able to handle Whis. Whis' strength so far has shown no limits; he's capable of treating SSJB Goku and Vegeta, and Beerus, like fodder.

[omaro34]

Beerus yeah he could beat.....but probably not Whis.

We have yet to see Whis go all out in a battle.

[dbzfan7]

Because Goku and Vegeta potara fused as SSJB would utterly destroy Beerus and Whis. Together Goku and Vegeta can feasibly give Beerus trouble or possibly beat him according to Whis. Fused their power skyrockets. Compatible potara has an enormous boost. Going by really either anime or manga logic, I'd still say the boost is so great they'd crush both of them, maybe even if they teamed up too.

[z_cherub]

Because Goku and Vegeta potara fused as SSJB would utterly destroy Beerus and Whis. Together Goku and Vegeta can feasibly give Beerus trouble or possibly beat him according to Whis. Fused their power skyrockets. Compatible potara has an enormous boost. Going by really either anime or manga logic, I'd still say the boost is so great they'd crush both of them, maybe even if they teamed up too.

That's pretty generous given that we have no clue what Whis is capable of...

[dbzfan7]

Because Goku and Vegeta potara fused as SSJB would utterly destroy Beerus and Whis. Together Goku and Vegeta can feasibly give Beerus trouble or possibly beat him according to Whis. Fused their power skyrockets. Compatible potara has an enormous boost. Going by really either anime or manga logic, I'd still say the boost is so great they'd crush both of them, maybe even if they teamed up too.

That's pretty generous given that we have no clue what Whis is capable of...

Toriyama's gauging.

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

Why would Potara be less than a 2x or 3x boost? It wouldn't make any sense. If that were the case then it wouldn't have been so crucially needed in the past.

[Boo Machine]

Because Goku and Vegeta potara fused as SSJB would utterly destroy Beerus and Whis. Together Goku and Vegeta can feasibly give Beerus trouble or possibly beat him according to Whis. Fused their power skyrockets. Compatible potara has an enormous boost. Going by really either anime or manga logic, I'd still say the boost is so great they'd crush both of them, maybe even if they teamed up too.

That's pretty generous given that we have no clue what Whis is capable of...

Toriyama's gauging.

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

Why would Potara be less than a 2x or 3x boost? It wouldn't make any sense. If that were the case then it wouldn't have been so crucially needed in the past.

But it's not like those numbers are power levels. They're a gauge. A placement on some scale Toriyama threw up during an interview. Goku getting 10X stonger wont multiply his 6. This is assuming those numbers are even relevant anymore.

[dbzfan7]

That's pretty generous given that we have no clue what Whis is capable of...

Toriyama's gauging.

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

Why would Potara be less than a 2x or 3x boost? It wouldn't make any sense. If that were the case then it wouldn't have been so crucially needed in the past.

But it's not like those numbers are power levels. They're a gauge. A placement on some scale Toriyama threw up during an interview. Goku getting 10X stonger wont multiply his 6. This is assuming those numbers are even relevant anymore.

They perfectly fit what's said in the movie. Beerus only used 70% of his power according to him. So Goku being a 6 perfectly reflects that. Even if you want to ignore the numbers, it was said while teaming up, Goku and Vegeta could potentially rival or beat Beerus. This is without fusion. With fusion they'd be much MUCH stronger than then simply teaming up.

[Boo Machine]

Toriyama's gauging.

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

Why would Potara be less than a 2x or 3x boost? It wouldn't make any sense. If that were the case then it wouldn't have been so crucially needed in the past.

But it's not like those numbers are power levels. They're a gauge. A placement on some scale Toriyama threw up during an interview. Goku getting 10X stonger wont multiply his 6. This is assuming those numbers are even relevant anymore.

They perfectly fit what's said in the movie. Beerus only used 70% of his power according to him. So Goku being a 6 perfectly reflects that. Even if you want to ignore the numbers, it was said while teaming up, Goku and Vegeta could potentially rival or beat Beerus. This is without fusion. With fusion they'd be much MUCH stronger than then simply teaming up.

Well, I'm not doubting they'd have a chance against Beerus. Hell, judging from fusions massive boost, I can see them beating him as well. It was Whis I'm unsure about. As stated we dont know what he is fully capable of and the numbers don't fully reflect power.

If I HAD to put a position on it, I'd put SSB vegetto above Beerus but below Whis. At least based off what we know now.

[dbzfan7]

But it's not like those numbers are power levels. They're a gauge. A placement on some scale Toriyama threw up during an interview. Goku getting 10X stonger wont multiply his 6. This is assuming those numbers are even relevant anymore.

They perfectly fit what's said in the movie. Beerus only used 70% of his power according to him. So Goku being a 6 perfectly reflects that. Even if you want to ignore the numbers, it was said while teaming up, Goku and Vegeta could potentially rival or beat Beerus. This is without fusion. With fusion they'd be much MUCH stronger than then simply teaming up.

Well, I'm not doubting they'd have a chance against Beerus. Hell, judging from fusions massive boost, I can see them beating him as well. It was Whis I'm unsure about. As stated we dont know what he is fully capable of and the numbers don't fully reflect power.

If I HAD to put a position on it, I'd put SSB vegetto above Beerus but below Whis. At least based off what we know now.

Nothing says Whis is that insanely above them.

[Smilodon]

Whis said if Goku and Vegeta fight together they could beat Beerus!
Goku and Vegeta fought Super Boo Gohan and didn't nothing...And Vegetto was muuuch stronger than Super Boo Gohan.

So, Vegetto would be too much for Beerus!

But Whis, maybe not! Whis is strong enough to beat Beerus with a single punch (without his full power). And his techniques are unknown yet...

I think Vegetto would destroy Beerus and Champa together(no fusion), but Whis or Vados would smash Vegetto easily.

[Boo Machine]

They perfectly fit what's said in the movie. Beerus only used 70% of his power according to him. So Goku being a 6 perfectly reflects that. Even if you want to ignore the numbers, it was said while teaming up, Goku and Vegeta could potentially rival or beat Beerus. This is without fusion. With fusion they'd be much MUCH stronger than then simply teaming up.

Well, I'm not doubting they'd have a chance against Beerus. Hell, judging from fusions massive boost, I can see them beating him as well. It was Whis I'm unsure about. As stated we dont know what he is fully capable of and the numbers don't fully reflect power.

If I HAD to put a position on it, I'd put SSB vegetto above Beerus but below Whis. At least based off what we know now.

Nothing says Whis is that insanely above them.

You're right. Nobody has said that. I didn't say insanely. I just said they were below. That's what I was trying to get across. That we dont know just how strong Whis is. At least with Beerus they gave a rough estimate. Not so much with Whis. At least not in the show or even in the movies unless I missed a line about that.

[dbzfan7]

Well, I'm not doubting they'd have a chance against Beerus. Hell, judging from fusions massive boost, I can see them beating him as well. It was Whis I'm unsure about. As stated we dont know what he is fully capable of and the numbers don't fully reflect power.

If I HAD to put a position on it, I'd put SSB vegetto above Beerus but below Whis. At least based off what we know now.

Nothing says Whis is that insanely above them.

You're right. Nobody has said that. I didn't say insanely. I just said they were below. That's what I was trying to get across. That we dont know just how strong Whis is. At least with Beerus they gave a rough estimate. Not so much with Whis. At least not in the show or even in the movies unless I missed a line about that.

Toriyama gave us an idea that Whis isn't insanely above Beerus.

[Boo Machine]

Nothing says Whis is that insanely above them.

You're right. Nobody has said that. I didn't say insanely. I just said they were below. That's what I was trying to get across. That we dont know just how strong Whis is. At least with Beerus they gave a rough estimate. Not so much with Whis. At least not in the show or even in the movies unless I missed a line about that.

Toriyama gave us an idea that Whis isn't insanely above Beerus.

Did he? I can't really think of where he might have given us that. Because I've been getting the idea that he is very much higher than Beerus. Even if it's not insanely we still aren't sure by how much or what "insanely" even means since our ideas of what that amounts to probably doesn't line up. Which is all that I'm trying to get across. Not a definite " NO, Whis can beat Vegetto!" Because, really I don't know either.

[dbzfan7]

You're right. Nobody has said that. I didn't say insanely. I just said they were below. That's what I was trying to get across. That we dont know just how strong Whis is. At least with Beerus they gave a rough estimate. Not so much with Whis. At least not in the show or even in the movies unless I missed a line about that.

Toriyama gave us an idea that Whis isn't insanely above Beerus.

Did he? I can't really think of where he might have given us that. Because I've been getting the idea that he is very much higher than Beerus. Even if it's not insanely we still aren't sure by how much or what "insanely" even means since our ideas of what that amounts to probably doesn't line up. Which is all that I'm trying to get across. Not a definite " NO, Whis can beat Vegetto!" Because, really I don't know either.

I don't know how he could be any more clear. We got numbers. Easy to follow numbers. This is the guy who wrote this.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Really think there's some hidden more complicated point to the numbers?

[Lord Beerus]

I'm pretty certain that SSJB Vegetto could destroy Beerus and Whis, not because of the 6-10-15 scale, which isn't even applicable in Super anymore, a show that Toriyama provides the general outline for the plot of, but because Whis stated in Resurrection F that if Goku and Vegeta were to team up they could seriously challenged Beerus and even possibly defeat Beerus, and that was before the three years of training they went through in the new and improved ROSAT.

[Boo Machine]

Toriyama gave us an idea that Whis isn't insanely above Beerus.

Did he? I can't really think of where he might have given us that. Because I've been getting the idea that he is very much higher than Beerus. Even if it's not insanely we still aren't sure by how much or what "insanely" even means since our ideas of what that amounts to probably doesn't line up. Which is all that I'm trying to get across. Not a definite " NO, Whis can beat Vegetto!" Because, really I don't know either.

I don't know how he could be any more clear. We got numbers. Easy to follow numbers. This is the guy who wrote this.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Really think there's some hidden more complicated point to the numbers?

No. But that's the whole point I've been trying to make. Those numbers are simple. Like, really simple. They don't mean a whole lot besides putting characters into a position for us to understand who stands on top of who. But because they're simple we don't really know power gap between those characters. We know Whis is stonger than Beerus because 15 is higher than 10. We know Beerus is stonger than Goku because 10 is higher than 6. We get that. I get that. But how big is the gap in power between 10 and 15? It could be a lot, it could be a little. We don't know because all we got was simple numbers. How much stonger does Goku need to get before that 6 goes to 7? Is it a 7 already? Who knows? I certainly don't. Those numbers don't say a lot besides who is stronger than who.

All I was trying to say is, It's a fairly huge assumption that Vegetto rises above Whis based on those simple not very detailed numbers considering we haven't seen what the extent of Whis's powers are and we don't have enough info to know that for sure. Nothing more.

Edit: Or I should probably say, I dont have enough info to be convinced.

[Boo Machine]

I'm pretty certain that SSJB Vegetto could destroy Beerus and Whis, not because of the 6-10-15 scale, which isn't even applicable in Super anymore, a show that Toriyama provides the general outline for the plot of, but because Whis stated in Resurrection F that if Goku and Vegeta were to team up they could seriously challenged Beerus and even possibly defeat Beerus, and that was before the three years of training they went through in the new and improved ROSAT.

But I want to know how strong they got in those 3 years. In the cell saga we got a pretty good gauge at how much stronger Vegeta and Trunks became after training in there because before the ROSAT, vegeta got beaten by 18, but after he comes out of it, he stomps 2nd form Cell who was eating the androids alive.

In super they go in and come back out fighting completely new characters. So I don't know how much improvement came from that. Only that vegeta said beforehand that it wouldn't be that much.

[dbzfan7]

Did he? I can't really think of where he might have given us that. Because I've been getting the idea that he is very much higher than Beerus. Even if it's not insanely we still aren't sure by how much or what "insanely" even means since our ideas of what that amounts to probably doesn't line up. Which is all that I'm trying to get across. Not a definite " NO, Whis can beat Vegetto!" Because, really I don't know either.

I don't know how he could be any more clear. We got numbers. Easy to follow numbers. This is the guy who wrote this.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Really think there's some hidden more complicated point to the numbers?

No. But that's the whole point I've been trying to make. Those numbers are simple. Like, really simple. They don't mean a whole lot besides putting characters into a position for us to understand who stands on top of who. But because they're simple we don't really know power gap between those characters. We know Whis is stonger than Beerus because 15 is higher than 10. We know Beerus is stonger than Goku because 10 is higher than 6. We get that. I get that. But how big is the gap in power between 10 and 15? It could be a lot, it could be a little. We don't know because all we got was simple numbers. How much stonger does Goku need to get before that 6 goes to 7? Is it a 7 already? Who knows? I certainly don't. Those numbers don't say a lot besides who is stronger than who.

All I was trying to say is, It's a fairly huge assumption that Vegetto rises above Whis based on those simple not very detailed numbers considering we haven't seen what the extent of Whis's powers are and we don't have enough info to know that for sure. Nothing more.

Edit: Or I should probably say, I dont have enough info to be convinced.

Ask yourself how many kids would think something like you said. Now ask yourself how many would think the 6/10/15 is simple to follow. My exact point is Dragon Ball is simplicity. Simplicity is usually the correct answer for everything it throws, because it's trying to be simple for it's audience. You're asking a lot of questions that over complicates what is simply stated. No child is gonna ask those questions as they gave a flat out answer. If everything you said was applicable, it'd end up confusing the audience, which goes against what Dragon Ball is going for. Simplicity.

I think it's a much more massive assumption to think Whis is somehow trillions of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta.