Which is canon, anime or manga?

[Chiki]

There are great differences in terms of power level between the manga and anime. For example, in the manga, SSB Goku and Vegeta are well above Hit at his max in the tournament. Yet in the anime Goku needs to go Kaioken x10 (he doesn't seem to be able to in the manga) to compete with Hit, so Hit is much stronger. If this were in Toriyama's outline I am sure it would be in the manga as well, but Kaioken is not in the manga.

I feel like the manga is closer to Toriyama's outline and that would make it canon, but what are your thoughts?

[Rubens]

I'd say both, but... most likely the anime.

Before you had the manga published first, then the anime based on manga - the manga has the first say in the matter.
Now you have anime first, then the manga chapters based on the anime (in a conjoint interview with Toyotaro & Toriyama, the latter wanted Toyotaro to be more original with his own ideas), so probably the anime comes first.

Now, what I recommend to do (and someday I'll do that to) is to try to complement both stories.

Edit: Ah, found that interview http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... k-version/

[Bullza]

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

One isn't more canon than the other however the anime includes content that was not in the plot outline like the Copy Water arc and other filler. So basically the Super anime is to Dragon Ball Z what the Super manga is to Dragon Ball Kai, they're both adaptations of the same thing but one has more filler to pad it out than the other.

But the manga version of the Universe 6 or Black arc isn't more or less canon than the anime version of the Universe 6 or Black arc.

[Shinomori]

There are great differences in terms of power level between the manga and anime. For example, in the manga, SSB Goku and Vegeta are well above Hit at his max in the tournament. Yet in the anime Goku needs to go Kaioken x10 (he doesn't seem to be able to in the manga) to compete with Hit, so Hit is much stronger. If this were in Toriyama's outline I am sure it would be in the manga as well, but Kaioken is not in the manga.

I feel like the manga is closer to Toriyama's outline and that would make it canon, but what are your thoughts?

I believe they were stronger than Hit in the anime as well. It was only Hit's technique that allowed him to compete with them.

[samuo2]

One isn't more canon than the other however the anime includes content that was not in the plot outline like the Copy Water arc and other filler. So basically the Super anime is to Dragon Ball Z what the Super manga is to Dragon Ball Kai, they're both adaptations of the same thing but one has more filler to pad it out than the other.

But the manga version of the Universe 6 or Black arc isn't more or less canon than the anime version of the Universe 6 or Black arc.

Yup, have two versions of the story allows us to exclude all elements which aren't in Toriyama's plot.

But, this way doesn't solve the problem for "In Universe" debats.
For exemple in other for forum for each question I have to separate both explications for the manga version, and the anime version. The most common exemple is the power level of Hit.
In the manga, he is about a Super Saiyan Blue level.
But in the anime his power level is increase exponentially, and become equal to a Super Saiyan Blue time 10 KaïoKen..

We haven't a support on which qui can based our theories.

[namekiansaiyan]

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

One isn't more canon than the other however the anime includes content that was not in the plot outline like the Copy Water arc and other filler. So basically the Super anime is to Dragon Ball Z what the Super manga is to Dragon Ball Kai, they're both adaptations of the same thing but one has more filler to pad it out than the other.

But the manga version of the Universe 6 or Black arc isn't more or less canon than the anime version of the Universe 6 or Black arc.

The plot is definitely the only thing that everyone should accept and people can't take the promotional manga over
the anime.

[jplaya2023]

the anime is canon in this adaptation of Super. the manga is something entirely different.

[Alruneia]

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

One isn't more canon than the other however the anime includes content that was not in the plot outline like the Copy Water arc and other filler. So basically the Super anime is to Dragon Ball Z what the Super manga is to Dragon Ball Kai, they're both adaptations of the same thing but one has more filler to pad it out than the other.

But the manga version of the Universe 6 or Black arc isn't more or less canon than the anime version of the Universe 6 or Black arc.

This is probably the best answer. Since the anime and manga are both adaptations of an outline, they're equally canon.
If you ask me, you can choose to pick whatever you'd like from the two as canon as long as it doesn't cause contradictions. When Super ends, we'll be able to determine a more 'definite' canon.

[Lord Beerus]

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

Bingo.

Toriyama's general outline of the plot is what the core story of Super, in regards to both the anime and manga, are based on. And by default, that is what you would really refer to as the main "canon" of Dragon Ball Super as a whole. It's just a case of which interpretation you personally prefer, whether it be the anime or the manga.

[Faisal Shourov]

Anime of course. Manga is promotional material for the anime, that makes manga secondary canon by default. Anime is the primary canon for super.

[Theophrastus]

The anime is more likely to be the basis for any additional new material going forward, so going by that logic it should probably be considered "canon".

That being said, it seems like Toriyama himself prefers Toyotaro's manga version (if his praise in the Super Vol. 1 interview versus the rumblings about him being highly dissatisfied with the Super anime are any indication).

[ssbgoku]

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

Bingo.

Toriyama's general outline of the plot is what the core story of Super, in regards to both the anime and manga, are based on. And by default, that is what you would really refer to as the main "canon" of Dragon Ball Super as a whole. It's just a case of which interpretation you personally prefer, whether it be the anime or the manga.

I agree with that, however we can see which is more close to Akira's vision and here I am going to prove it below.

The bold part, let's say Akira wrote them plot outline and included some vague statement as: "then hit, opponent of son goku is gonna be suprised by red aura and old power he gained comming back, the power of god" both Toyotaro and Toei. Now Toei would thought of kaioken of course which didn't make it appearance since long time, hovever to make it relevant and use of god ki, Kaioken would have to be used on god power, which only relevant at the time in anime was ssb, as the most powerfull ;p. He went this route and did it like that.

Yet later when it came time for Toyotaro to draw the manga, he went with ssg power which fit the vague description of Akira. Now you can say both are correct and hold as much importance as other, but here is trick which makes difference.

According to one of akira interview where he was talking about promotional material of dbs manga , he describe whole process of making manga by including him checking everything mangaka did and he was free to correct anything he dislikes then only them it was pubilished and released, so what we know ?

anime: Akira gives plot outline -> Toei makes use of it -> ?(Akira oversee it ?)-> it get released
manga: Akira gives plot outline -> Toyotaro draws manga -> Akira oversee it and double check it. If something he dislikes then fix it-> it get published.

See, manga seems more cannon. Also Akira is pleased and praises Toyotaro's who is behind manga, while he seems to even being not pleased with anime pointing out flaws in it. Of course this is one explanation with vague statement, surely Toei can just do some extra stuff and make battle more hyped up by changing it so we wouldn't even know.

[buutenks]

The anime is the main canon, while the manga is there to promote it.

[sintzu]

The anime is canon to DB Kai while the manga starting from U6 is canon to Toriyama's original manga and the last 2 movies.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

The anime is canon to DB Kai while the manga starting from U6 is canon to Toriyama's original manga and the last 2 movies.

There's really no basis for statements like this, unless I'm missing an official announcement or Interview establishing two canons. If not, this is just more misinformation.

[sintzu]

This is just more misinformation.

That's the only logical way to look at it until someone official says one is more canon than the other.

[Luke Groundwalker]

The anime is the main version, but tbh, if you mean "canon" in the same tier as the original manga, not even Super is really all that in the same tier considering it's more of a collaborative effort between TOEI and Toriyama rather than being exclusively Toriyama. The most "canon" thing about Super is Toriyama's outlines, most likely.

[GodKaio-Ken]

This is one of those weird scenarios where I would say both are canon. As far as main plot points go neither should be all too different. I would say both are interpretations of the story that are equally valid.

[Patrolman Jaco]

As far as I understand, it seems both the manga and anime versions of the Champa arc and Future Trunks arc are both canon.
Since they're both based on Toriyama's plot outline, whereas things like the majority of the slice of life and the Purple Jelly Vegeta arc that happened in the anime were Toei's doing since it was not covered in the manga nor did they receive an announcement of Toriyama's involvement like the other two canon arcs.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... -24/.96670

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... ne/.101915

While the Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F movies (which were directly written by Toriyama) are canon over the Dragon Ball Super retellings which were just Toei's shitty take on them.

Also Toriyama does appear to check the storyboard of each chapter of the manga and feels that the manga "should keep them on track!" referring to Toei's animators. So at the very least the manga isn't any less canon than the anime simply because it's promotional material.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... b-version/

[Anime Kitten]

I've been doing this a lot lately...

General discussion for "canon".