The ssj2 and ssj1 name switch...

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

is this just bad translations? I keep seeing in the new arc someone saying they're going super saiyan and then they're ssj2. But when they say they're ssj2 they have ssj1 hair (goku vs black and trunks).

Am I the only one noticing this besides some youtube comments? I swear I even hear him saying SUPA SAIYAJIN TEW!

Is trunks even a ssj2 now? Can gohan go ssj2 still? Sorry I'm just confused here....

[Kaboom]

Half of it is probably "Super Saiyan" being used as a blanket term, and the other half is probably Toei being sloppy with their animation and design work.

[fadeddreams5]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

So then what's right/ The thing you actually see on screen or what they say? I mean it could be a blank term but sometimes it does seam to fit, even if you give them that benefit of the doubt.

[Krillin1994]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

we don't know that that form doesn't grow the hair in a half saiyan.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

we don't know that that form doesn't grow the hair in a half saiyan.

If it grows for half saiyans then it would be even longer back then since he started with longer hair.

[emi_b7]

They are drawing Goku's SSJ2 hair the same way they do SSJ1 sometimes, for some reason. You can only say if he is SSJ1 or SSJ2 by watching the electricity. If there's electricity when Goku/Trunks transforms, then it's SSJ2. It seems to disappear after like 2 seconds though.
It's just not a lot of attention to detail at all, as fadeddreams5 said.
I think Trunks used SSJ2 against Goku and Vegeta and SS1 against Black (nice choice, Trunks). Goku used SSJ2 against Trunks, Black and Beerus (on Kaio's planet for like 5 seconds) and SSJ1 every other time. That's my guess at least.

[Krillin1994]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

we don't know that that form doesn't grow the hair in a half saiyan.

If it grows for half saiyans then it would be even longer back then since he started with longer hair.

Unless it has a set style the form takes. i.e if the hair is long enough it doesn't need to grow.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

There is no set style for hybrid's hair in a bulked up form. It just spikes up. The only set hairstyle is ssj3 and kind of ssj4 with having a bit of hair in the back. Ssj1 is spikey, but different hairstyles make thing different. ssj2 is 1 spikier but its not like being super Trunks makes his hair a certain way. it just spikes whatever hair he has. It should be shorter in super's scene.

[fadeddreams5]

It's not even a different form. It's literally just SSJ with muscles (and head?) bulked up. Cell used it too. lol.

[z_cherub]

So then what's right/ The thing you actually see on screen or what they say? I mean it could be a blank term but sometimes it does seam to fit, even if you give them that benefit of the doubt.

A little of both, depending on the context. There have been times when Son was obviously SSJ2 due to the dialogue and electricity, but he appeared SSJ1 via hairstyle. Other times, it's been indicated he's SSJ1 and he's had the 4 narrow spikes of ssj2. Just watch the context, and if Toei slips up (they have and will) just relax and chalk it up to a screw up n

[Fishman]

It's not even a different form. It's literally just SSJ with muscles (and head?) bulked up. Cell used it too. lol.

it's as much a different form as super saiyan 2. cell is basically a super saiyan too so the argument won't get you anywhere.

[fadeddreams5]

It's not even a different form. It's literally just SSJ with muscles (and head?) bulked up. Cell used it too. lol.

it's as much a different form as super saiyan 2. cell is basically a super saiyan too so the argument won't get you anywhere.

Grade II and III were attempts to break the SSJ wall, but were ultimately pumped up SSJs, with a muscle mass increase used to reflect the increase in power. Cell's entire point when he showcased that was that it's nothing special; the forms themselves are literally just SSJs bulked up.

Unless you're Adult Gohan or Vegeta, SSJ2 visibly alters the hair and ki of the user.

It baffles me people are defending this blatant error in Super...

[Yomi]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

It's a trait of the transformation, move on.

[dbzfan7]

I theorize SSJ2 gets more time, and is referred to as SSJ to try and make SSJB look more original. Let SSJ2 be the basic non god form used instead of SSJ, so SSJB somehow looks more original when it's not. It's funny how SSJ2 and SSJ3 aren't supposed to be used because their apparently flawed and better off without them, and yet SSJ2 is seemingly replacing SSJ as the non god form to use.

[fadeddreams5]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

It's a trait of the transformation, move on.

His hair became more wild and sharper. He didn't magically grow more hair like SSJ3...

[Bansho64]

His hair became more wild and sharper. He didn't magically grow more hair like SSJ3...

To add on to this, those particular shots of Vegeta don't match up. His hair was longer than that in the Artificial Humans arc. I don't why Super has that tendency to make his and some others' hair shorter.

[z_cherub]

His hair became more wild and sharper. He didn't magically grow more hair like SSJ3...

To add on to this, those particular shots of Vegeta don't match up. His hair was longer than that in the Artificial Humans arc. I don't why Super has that tendency to make his and some others' hair shorter.

People don't allow for the tendencies of different artists. They want to point to one guy that draws longer hair on characters and use that as proof that Toriyama wrote the transformation to grow hair. Post manga scans, then we'll talk.

[MCDaveG]

There is very little attention to detail paid in Super. Like, very, very little. In the latest episode, Trunks' grade III form had Broly hair, even though Trunks no longer has his long post-ROSAT hair.

It's a trait of the transformation, move on.

This, tough Vegeta's hair weren't that much longer in Z.

[Yomi]

Post manga scans, then we'll talk.

I don't know, I'm so tired of talking about hair since SSG came out so... take it or leave it, whatever fits your narrative.