Idea: how Toriyama could save the franchise with a third movie.

[Desassina]

I think I found the perfect example of what could be done with the franchise. Do you remember Disney Aladdin and Return of Jafar? What was the latter if not a film to introduce the animated series, regardless of its quality? And how did the animated series end if not without the second best Aladdin movie (The King of Thieves)? The series felt limitless with how it introduced new content with no regards to continuity, because Aladdin and TKoT didn't reference them, but acknowledged something that hadn't been introduced yet (his marriage and his father). Dragon Ball Super can continue until it's cancelled for a final movie that gives the franchise some closure. It could start with the Oob tournament and continue from there, without referencing the inner workings of the anime, but acknowledging things that haven't been introduced yet (a final battle between Goku and Beerus? I suspect that DB Super will end without it). It could even pass the torch to a new set of fighters in some universe, before the main cast gets the most definitive ending of them all. The point is: it should feel like a sequel to Battle of Gods and, without dismissing RoF and DB Super, allow them to go unnoticed in the grand scheme of things.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Dragonball needs no saving. A new movie is welcome, but Dragonball has evolved pass the age of spin off movies with no relavance to the larger series. Any third movie needs to tie in to the rest of the new material until the Super arc is complete.

[Hellspawn28]

Save the franchise from what? The franchise is doing fine seeing it's making a lot of money and the current arc is pretty well like at the moment.

[Desassina]

Dragonball needs no saving. A new movie is welcome, but Dragonball has evolved pass the age of spin off movies with no relavance to the larger series. Any third movie needs to tie in to the rest of the new material until the Super arc is complete.

Actually, Battle of Gods was quite relevant to the franchise. It felt like the only movie to faithfully continue the manga, regardless of the series promoted by RoF, which is why I don't like the latter. BoG had endless possibilities until the sequel made them worse, in my opinion, by reviving an old villain. Then, the success that felt innocent at the time has actually led to DB Super, whose content seems never ending, when the kids should have aged at least. What I'm asking is that this content is treated as an oversight for the anime, and that a new movie continues the EoZ with ideas that haven't appeared in DB Super yet, which is why the latter needs to be acknowledged. However, it should only reference Battle of Gods, for it was the last good thing (in opinion) to have happened in the franchise revival. If you don't share this sentiment, then you're not the target audience of this thread, but let's not excuse everything new.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

. If you don't share this sentiment, then you're not the target audience of this thread, but let's not excuse everything new.

Is the target audience people who agree with you?

[Desassina]

Is the target audience people who agree with you?

No, it's for anyone who has enjoyed Battle of Gods the most, depreceated Resurrection of F and is currently going through DB Super disappointed. I know that there are people in here who felt this way.

[Nejishiki]

Dragonball needs no saving. A new movie is welcome, but Dragonball has evolved pass the age of spin off movies with no relavance to the larger series. Any third movie needs to tie in to the rest of the new material until the Super arc is complete.

Why is that? What is so different that the series is 'above' alternate continuity films? I welcome them myself. As long as they're executed well, it opens doors to the world of Dragon Ball that the main story cannot afford.

[FoolsGil]

I don't like Super either, but even when we had no new material except videogames and other merch, the franchise stood strong. If anything, Super revitalized the franchise, and adding a third movie will just continue giving it strength.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Saving? Is the franchise in serious danger? Are we having lost in revenue and profit in merchandise sell?

If the answer is NO, then there´s no point in a saving.

[TheGreatness25]

That's right. Dragon Ball is a success as long as it makes money and sells merchandise. Everything else is just stuff that we attach to it (sentimental feelings, nostalgia, etc.).

[sintzu]

No, it's for anyone who has enjoyed Battle of Gods the most, depreceated Resurrection of F and is currently going through DB Super disappointed. I know that there are people in here who felt this way.

The BOG movie was definitely the best part of the franchise's revival.

In terms of your idea, Toriyama is the one who wrote RF and is currently writing Super so the chances of him writing a movie that doesn't take them into account are slim to non.

Dragon Ball is a success as long as it makes money and sells merchandise.

I miss the days when we could say DB was a success because of its good quality or when we could compare it to other Shonen.

[Desassina]

I'm kind of disgusted by people using how much the franchise has been selling merchandise too. The idea might have been imperfect, but it was done so with the franchise's quality in mind, because that's what really matters. I made the comparison to a Disney movie and series, because that's what Dragon Ball Super felt like at first: a lower budget take on the movies and their follow up stories. Akira Toriyama can end the anime in any way he wants to, after he runs out of ideas to fit in the 10 year gap, but he had better make a selection of everything that worked to make a third movie with new ideas for an ending.

[Red-Eye]

He should a movie about Pu'ar destroying Zen'ō.

[sintzu]

Akira Toriyama had better make a selection of everything that worked to make a third movie with new ideas for an ending.

By the time Super ends we'll probably be on the 4th or 5th movie.

In terms of the ideas that work, I'm sure to Toriyama and Toei everything works cause they bring in the $$$.

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball is a success as long as it makes money and sells merchandise.

I miss the days when we could say DB was a success because of its good quality or when we could compare it to other Shonen.

Dragon Ball wasn't exactly the pinnacle of storytelling, and it sure as hell wasn't one of the best animated shonen of its era.

I'm kind of disgusted by people using how much the franchise has been selling merchandise too. The idea might have been imperfect, but it was done so with the franchise's quality in mind, because that's what really matters. I made the comparison to a Disney movie and series, because that's what Dragon Ball Super felt like at first: a lower budget take on the movies and their follow up stories. Akira Toriyama can end the anime in any way he wants to, after he runs out of ideas to fit in the 10 year gap, but he had better make a selection of everything that worked to make a third movie with new ideas for an ending.

The main target audience of Dragon Ball, which is children, as much people want to deny this, don't really care that much if as show doesn't have top notch quality animation. All they care ultimately about is that the toys and other merchandise related to show is interesting enough for them to badger their parents to buy for them. I mean, look at Yo-kai Watch, that is about as run of the mill as a kids show can get in every regard, but do kids care take that into consideration? Of course not. They just see a cartoon with interesting looking characters and think, "I wanna buy those toys."

[Desassina]

Well, at least give the older fans a treat. Remind them of what Dragon Ball used to be, because Dragon Ball Super is hardly it. In my opinion, off course.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball wasn't exactly the pinnacle of storytelling, and it sure as hell wasn't one of the best animated shonen of its era.

The main target audience of Dragon Ball, which is children...

The original is still read and watched by millions of people around the world even though it ended in 1995 so it has clearly done something right. How long do you think Super will last after it's finished ? a day ?

By the way, isn't there any other way to defend Super other than bashing the classic original ?

"shounen is manga aimed at a young male audience. The age group varies with individual readers and different magazines, but it is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 8 to 18." You and other Super "fans" are the ones in denial, not us.

Remind them of what Dragon Ball used to be, because Dragon Ball Super is hardly it. In my opinion, off course.

That's not an opinion, it's an undeniable fact.

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball wasn't exactly the pinnacle of storytelling, and it sure as hell wasn't one of the best animated shonen of its era.

The main target audience of Dragon Ball, which is children...

The original is still read and watched by millions of people around the world even though it ended in 1995 so it has clearly done something right. How long do you think Super will last after it's finished ? a day ?

By the way, isn't there any other way to defend Super other than bashing the classic original ?

"shounen is manga aimed at a young male audience. The age group varies with individual readers and different magazines, but it is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 8 to 18." You and other Super "fans" are the ones in denial, not us.

I'm in no way bashing the original story or trying to defend Super. I'm not saying Dragon Ball can't in any way not be enjoyed by everyone, because it sure as hell can, but Dragon Ball ultimately is a story with the main focus of appealing to young boys. Dragon Ball is a shonen franchise and it's main audience by default are "a person from the time they enter elementary school until the time they are 15 years of age" and "Any person who has not reached the age of 15 years". That is the definition by Japanese Child Welfare Laws law, so I don't were you got your definition from. If anyone is in denial, it seems to be you.

[sintzu]

I don't were you got your definition from. If anyone is in denial, it seems to be you.

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[Kanassa]

I miss the days when we could say DB was a success because of its good quality or when we could compare it to other Shonen.

Yep, and then Z came along.