Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
-
peterx
- Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 222
- Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:02 pm
Post
by peterx » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:42 pm
I mean we learned with the latest episode (55) that there is a multiverse where Zeno resides in which there is all the 12 universe on those stone columns at his house.
So if each universe has an afterlife part of it, then that multiverse-universe should have one too, because what happens if you kill someone at Zeno's place? Where does his/her soul go?
Then if we take Zeno as the ONLY REAL omnipotent GOD who really can create literally anything and has no limits to his power then he may have an opposite being for the sake of balance who can destroy anything with unlimited power too, a multiverse-kind of God of Destruction who we can safely call the Devil itself who may rule that afterlife (the Hell part of it)?
That would be some real final battle material for all of DB franchise..

-
SSJ Human
- Regular
- Posts: 627
- Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm
Post
by SSJ Human » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:45 pm
Something tells me he doesn't since I would think it would have appeared by now and dsstroyed something unless it hasn't been created yet in universe.
-
peterx
- Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 222
- Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:02 pm
Post
by peterx » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:53 pm
SSJ Human wrote:Something tells me he doesn't since I would think it would have appeared by now and dsstroyed something unless it hasn't been created yet in universe.
My guesss there will be some upheaval in the future with Zeno befriending Goku, cuz it may weaken his position as a respectful being in other Gods and possibly in some Evil beings eyes. Someone who acts like a children playing with some unknown lesser mortal, will loose his respect soon and someone will try to start war for his thorne.
-
Grimlock
- Kicks it Old-School
- Posts: 8673
- Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:11 pm
- Location: Cybertron.
Post
by Grimlock » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:58 pm
I would like to see the opposite of Zeno and his concept, but before that, we need to know more about Makaios and Makaioshins. It would leave a big hole knowing the opposite of Zeno, but not knowing the opposite of Kaios and Kaioshins.
Also, let's not forget that Akira Toriyama himself is an actual character and said to be the ultimate ruler of Dragon Ball, therefore standing above Zeno. Maybe he's the one who creates Universes, Zeno "just" possesses the capacity to destroy them.
-
peterx
- Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 222
- Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:02 pm
Post
by peterx » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:07 pm
Grimlock wrote:I would like to see the opposite of Zeno and his concept, but before that, we need to know more about Makaios and Makaioshins. It would leave a big hole knowing the opposite of Zeno, but not knowing the opposite of Kaios and Kaioshins.
Also, let's not forget that Akira Toriyama himself is an actual character and said to be the ultimate ruler of Dragon Ball, therefore standing above Zeno. Maybe he's the one who creates Universes, Zeno "just" possesses the capacity to destroy them.
Yes I'm talking about specifically the Makaioshin world as the mirror of the "good world" something tells me it works just as the God hierarchy there is some overal ruler of all universes and all evil beings.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Demon_Realm
Well I take the Tori-bot as rather a gag characther than some serious being with power

And Zeno said to be has NO ONE above him.
-
Polyphase Avatron
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 6643
- Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:48 am
Post
by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:35 pm
You're assuming that Zeno is good, though. What justifies that assumption? If he has really done all the things that have been attributed to him, he could be easily called evil - much worse than even Freeza or Beerus.
-
Nejishiki
- I Live Here
- Posts: 2406
- Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:45 am
Post
by Nejishiki » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:40 pm
peterx wrote:Well I take the Tori-bot as rather a gag characther than some serious being with power

And Zeno said to be has NO ONE above him.
Well, of course he would say that.

We don't get too much of him in Dragon Ball, but the Tori-Bot character can be a bit of a pushover despite forcing everyone to do things they don't want to, as seen in Dr. Slump. It's easy to imagine Zeno bullying the poor robot despite the difference in their standing.
-
peterx
- Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 222
- Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:02 pm
Post
by peterx » Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:05 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:You're assuming that Zeno is good, though. What justifies that assumption? If he has really done all the things that have been attributed to him, he could be easily called evil - much worse than even Freeza or Beerus.
Yes you are right, but I would rather call Zeno an amoral character for now certainly not evil but neutral, as an evil being would certainly never want subordinates like pure good Gods Kaioshins of U6/U7..
An evil counterpart would only be in interested in chaos and destruction not creating anything but destroying for the sake of joy, maybe with intelligence managing a demon army in which he rules with absoulte fear and enforces chaos everywhere in his realm, and oppose everything what the CREATOR GOD stands for (order and free will of mortals), like Freeza but on a much more grander scale.. but this is required for the so called "balance", I think.
-
fadeddreams5
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 5267
- Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:53 pm
- Location: New York
Post
by fadeddreams5 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:21 pm
peterx wrote:I mean we learned with the latest episode (55) that there is a multiverse where Zeno resides in which there is all the 12 universe on those stone columns at his house.
So if each universe has an afterlife part of it, then that multiverse-universe should have one too, because what happens if you kill someone at Zeno's place? Where does his/her soul go?
Then if we take Zeno as the ONLY REAL omnipotent GOD who really can create literally anything and has no limits to his power then he may have an opposite being for the sake of balance who can destroy anything with unlimited power too, a multiverse-kind of God of Destruction who we can safely call the Devil itself who may rule that afterlife (the Hell part of it)?
That would be some real final battle material for all of DB franchise..

The "multiverse-universe" very likely does not have an afterlife. Remember when Old Kai died in the Kaioshin's planet? He remained there. Dead gods don't get transported to the other world. Now, if someone from another universe died on Zeno's universe, their body would likely get transported to their universe's afterlife. That or, they just get a halo in Zeno's universe, and then get escorted to their respective other world.
And unless such an evil creature has been sealed for billions of years, it's unlikely to exist. Even so, it'd be unbeatable. Zeno has the ability to vaporize every universe in the blink of an eye. You can't fight a creature like this.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
-
Pantalones
- Advanced Regular
- Posts: 1432
- Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:30 pm
Post
by Pantalones » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:42 pm
Does he need an "evil twin?" I mean, this is the guy who's rumored to have destroyed a bunch of entire universes once just because he got upset about something... I think he handles the "destruction" half of the balance pretty well on his own. Maybe a little too well. XD
-
Cipher
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 6410
- Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:54 pm
- Location: Nagano
-
Contact:
Post
by Cipher » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:46 pm
Zenou Rosé.
-
Berserker1921
- Advanced Regular
- Posts: 1239
- Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:46 am
Post
by Berserker1921 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:22 am
What if Zeno is the main villain? Mind blown. Lol
-
Cetra
- I Live Here
- Posts: 3855
- Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:01 pm
Post
by Cetra » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:46 am
Complete opposite being? Lord of Nothing?
Mr. Satan?
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
-
Polyphase Avatron
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 6643
- Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:48 am
Post
by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:12 pm
Everyone also acts so scared of him and thinks Goku's behavior toward him will get him killed but we see no indication of that, as he acts all childish and happy-go-lucky all the time. You know what I'd like to see? An actual consequence for Goku not heeding their warnings. Like for example he goes too far and upsets him, and he paralyzes Goku with his ki like Beerus did to Vegeta, or something.
-
Captain Strawberry
- Advanced Regular
- Posts: 1265
- Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:59 pm
- Location: Where I wander
Post
by Captain Strawberry » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:31 pm
I just want to see him die. And see where the story would go from there.
Kuro Tenshi
I am just a simple traveller