About (post ssg) ss goku ~ ssg goku (Anime)

[ssbgoku]

Hello guys, I would like to reffer and talk about the thing which would seem to be estabilished as fact. I am only doing it in face of new evidences in dragon ball super which makes it wrong or at least hard to accept. Of course it could be just thing of story progression or retconn, but hear me out please.

About Super Saiyan God being absorbed in base or even ss once again, well sure it looked like goku lost super Saiyan god during fight with beerus, however it seems you didn't pay attention to whole beerus's speech about it. Sure Beerus stated goku didn't drop in power at all, but he also told him that it is due to crimson fire still burning inside your body which make it possible. It was just effect of fadding away power which goku with his will and ss was able to unconsciously keep it up inside him and prolong it's power effect on him. Same with base goku who managed to do it as last burst of this crimson fire along with his determination and will(will power makes miracle as in every anime/manga). However later it was contradicted and shown otherwise that neither goku or vegeta are as strong as ssg in

1) base - Whis commenting on them vastly improved in base, Goku and vegeta denying and being afraid to clash with beerus before ssb came out, Oracle fish talking about ss transformation making them much more powerfull and whis or beerus didn't deny this.

2) ss - When goku turned ss against Frost, beerus's reaction well it says all. He blamed goku for playing around and not using full power. Also reintroduction of ss2 and ss3 forms would make it possible, as in ss3 form goku would be 8x ssg at least which wouldn't make much more of sense, so it was either retconn or wrong interpretation both some of you guys who were watching anime. However main point was made when Gowasu assumed ss2 goku fighting Zamasu was on par or at the same tier at least as beerus. Hell Beerus even straightly away denied it and said he isn't even as powerfull(in that form, ss2) as he was while fighting beerus(as ssg).

so, What do you think guys ?, I also do not believe in two base theory, I think there is no need for it when you go by this way.

[z_cherub]

I tend to think that he used SSJ to prolong the "embers" of the God power from the ritual, but now no longer has access to SSJG (in the anime at least).

It is not a part of his base power, except perhaps teaching him what godly ki feels like and allowing him to master SSJ Blue faster than he otherwise would have.

At the end of the day, though, it's a kid's show with a ton of inconsistencies, so it doesn't really matter.

[ssbgoku]

I tend to think that he used SSJ to prolong the "embers" of the God power from the ritual, but now no longer has access to SSJG (in the anime at least).

It is not a part of his base power, except perhaps teaching him what godly ki feels like and allowing him to master SSJ Blue faster than he otherwise would have.

At the end of the day, though, it's a kid's show with a ton of inconsistencies, so it doesn't really matter.

Exactly, I agree with that compeletly, but to add at top of that people seem to biased and have double standards about retconns...

Akira brought 6-10-15 scale to show how ssg goku compares to beerus. Later in anime even beerus used 10% line against vegeta. If we even take minimal approach where enraged vegeta was just 2% of beerus, then we have him 5 times weaker then 10% beerus, which would be fine. According to ssbx10 kaioken thing ssg goku isn't even 10% of beerus of power to make it sense, however vegeta was weak in beerus' eyes and he visually powered up more then one times, so we got another retconn...

1) 10% line and ssg being much more powerfull
2) retconn with kaiokenx10ssb

See prime example of double standards. It just shows that people are biased towards certain choices.