You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

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You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:58 am

Some are bitching about why there are to many stronger fighters than Goku and Vegeta but hey if they would not introduce new stronger characters i think super would end really fast and i don't want that..

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by FoolsGil » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:03 am

There's a clear difference between the standard anime trope of adding stronger characters that are in opposition with the protagonist, and Super adding stronger characters that are allied with the protagonist.

In RoF, what diminished the tension wasn't that Freeza would have to fight two SSJBlues (because even first time seeing the movie, when Goku did it I knew Vegeta could do it) it was that Beers and Whis were eating cake in the background. No matter what they were gonna say, they would interfere, and in the end, Whis did.

Now Goku is friends with this series God with a capital G. No one can touch him. If anything the story will end really fast because if Zuno hears that Goku's in trouble, he's going to end it. Where's the tension in that? Story will end quicker because Goku will just retire, let Beers and Zuno fight his battles.

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:09 am

I don't think Zeno is the strongest maybe in the beginning but later i think there will be more stronger guys

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Post by nite_jay » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:13 am

FoolsGil wrote:There's a clear difference between the standard anime trope of adding stronger characters that are in opposition with the protagonist, and Super adding stronger characters that are allied with the protagonist.

In RoF, what diminished the tension wasn't that Freeza would have to fight two SSJBlues (because even first time seeing the movie, when Goku did it I knew Vegeta could do it) it was that Beers and Whis were eating cake in the background. No matter what they were gonna say, they would interfere, and in the end, Whis did.

Now Goku is friends with this series God with a capital G. No one can touch him. If anything the story will end really fast because if Zuno hears that Goku's in trouble, he's going to end it. Where's the tension in that? Story will end quicker because Goku will just retire, let Beers and Zuno fight his battles.
You can say that theres no tension, but Goku would never retire for those reasons. He'd probably never really retire at all honestly.

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:45 am

Uhm yes. It's the reason i watch dragonball. It's what dragonball is ultimately all about. It's all about power and evolution and improving etc.
If people don't like it, perhaps dragonball is not the best show for them. It's what dragonball does. And i LOVE it! The stronger the better.

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Gig » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:45 am

We don't know how Zeno would react to a help request. He probably gave his button to Goku (ep55) just to "play" together... not to help him. If he would know that Goku is messing up with time, as example, he may get angry.

However, it's a bit strange that new stronger characters (high priest) are still being introduced, while Goku has probably not reached Hit, Beerus and Whis yet. A bit strange maybe, but probably not an issue. Goku is still a mortal, and the existence of Gods he can't reach is relatively logic.

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Pluto » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:07 am

We're kinda not done, and a lot of characters remain passive combat wise.

Incomplete Fights:
Goku vs Beerus
Goku vs Hit
Goku vs Black
Goku vs Zamasu

Untested:
Whis
Champa
Vados
Daishinkan
Zeno's Guards
Zeno itself

Besides, we dont even know Hit's plans, let alone the late new characters.
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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by 404FILENOTFOUND » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:11 am

I don't mind it but I would love to see characters being able to use their brain to fight, Goku vs. Hit in the manga for example. Goku could have lost if not catching on why Hit had his hands in his pockets.
If Captain Ginyu was alive and somehow ended up in the same place as Zeno I'm sure he could have switched bodies with him if he was able to trick him...which reminds me Future Ginyu is still alive in the frog, right?

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Gig » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:49 pm

404FILENOTFOUND wrote: Goku could have lost if not catching on why Hit had his hands in his pockets.
Sorry for the OT, but I'm curious. I haven't read the manga, could you please tell me more about the pockets thing? Thank you.

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Post by Nejishiki » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:05 pm

Gig wrote:
404FILENOTFOUND wrote: Goku could have lost if not catching on why Hit had his hands in his pockets.
Sorry for the OT, but I'm curious. I haven't read the manga, could you please tell me more about the pockets thing? Thank you.
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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Bullza » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:19 pm

I'm fine with it.

I'm just concerned how they're gonna top this new lot though. It's not going to matter anytime soon because Toriyama doesn't intend for Goku to surpass Beerus never mind Zeno but if they ever did...what then?

What can they possibly come up with that could surpass that? They've done a good job so far, after Goku became the strongest on Earth, they introduced aliens, then beings from the future, then the past, then they had multiple universes but what more can they do?

Or will Goku and all his upcoming enemies just remain below Zeno for eternity?

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Makai » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:26 pm

I don't like them introducing new strong characters just for the sake of it. They do nothing but stand around, what's the point of making new strong characters if they never fight? So it will still be the Goku and Vegeta show? Not to mention, if they wanted to, they could defeat the enemy in one punch.

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Smilodon » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:48 pm

I'm just curious to see what hell those powerful guys can fight?
A fight between Beerus and Champa can destroy universes...But if you think, Whis and Vados are WAY too more powerful than Beerus and Champa...And this new Daishinkan being way more powerful than Whis and Vados...

What could happen if Vados fights Whis?
Or Daishinkan fights Zen'o Guards (we don't know but they can be more powerful than Daishinkan)???

It's to much power, so the multiverse can't stand and colapse everything...Because if you compare Beerus or Champa, they are like Piccolo in comparison with Goku for example.
Lujin_16 wrote:I don't think Zeno is the strongest maybe in the beginning but later i think there will be more stronger guys
Maybe not the strongest, but he can destroy everyone who has showed up to now...And he doesn't need to fight to destroy anyone. He said this to his two guards and they were afraid.
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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:54 pm

I'm fine with it. Marvel, DC and Image Comics have gods that are very powerful. Goku may be the main character that does not mean he has to be the most powerful being in the universe. Goku was not even the strongest in DBZ and GT. I also don't want someone stronger than Zeno.
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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Gig » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:11 pm

Nejishiki wrote:
Gig wrote:
404FILENOTFOUND wrote: Goku could have lost if not catching on why Hit had his hands in his pockets.
Sorry for the OT, but I'm curious. I haven't read the manga, could you please tell me more about the pockets thing? Thank you.
Goku discovers that Hit keeping his hands in his pocket is to cover his legs with his coat, obscuring any movements he makes.
Thank you. End of the ot. :)

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:26 pm

There is only one person allowed to be stronger than Zeno. They could introduce a Zenoshin. "Omni-King GOD"
Remember the pattern?

Kaio
Kaioshin
Zeno
Zenoshin?

Makes sense right? Zenoshin would be the creator god of everything. Totally omnipotent, omnipresent amd omniscient. He allowed Zeno to act as his representive and put him in charge as ruler of the multiverse for the time being. Zenoshin would be working behind the scenes.
There could be NO other character ALLOWED to be superior to Zeno. Given his extreme status.

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Post by Cetra » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:29 pm

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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by sintzu » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:48 pm

All of Super's new strong characters are Goku's friends so it's killing all the tension and the last episode might've made things worse.
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Re: You like the idea that they introduce new stronger characters??

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:02 pm

Dragon Ball has always been about outdoing itself in terms of the power hierarchy. We thought after Majin Boo nothing would top that then GT came along. Then we though nothing would top GT then Beerus and Whis were introduced. Then we thought nothing would top Beerus and Whis then along came Zeno. It's only a matter of time before we are given something even grander in the scheme of Dragon Ball than Zeno. Trust me, it'll happen.

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