So has Super been redeemed now after a shaky start?

[precita]

Super got off to a rough start with poorly done movie adaptions, bad animation and lackluster plots. The Universe 6 tournament was also a bit of a mixed bag, simply due to poor animation/fights at the start and shafting Piccolo and Buu out of proper battles. Super was viewed as only marginally better than GT at the start.

But since the Goku Black arc the quality of Super has skyrocketed. The animation on average has marginally improved even if there's still a poorly animated scene here and there, and the plots, writing and handling has all gotten a lot better. Probably the only negative now is still the shafting/neglect of major characters like Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin, but other than that I think Super has been "redeemed" from its first year. If they can keep it up I think people will finally see Super as a worthy successor to DBZ.

[namekiansaiyan]

Super got off to a rough start with poorly done movie adaptions, bad animation and lackluster plots. The Universe 6 tournament was also a bit of a mixed bag, simply due to poor animation/fights at the start and shafting Piccolo and Buu out of proper battles. Super was viewed as only marginally better than GT at the start.

But since the Goku Black arc the quality of Super has skyrocketed. The animation on average has marginally improved even if there's still a poorly animated scene here and there, and the plots, writing and handling has all gotten a lot better. Probably the only negative now is still the shafting/neglect of major characters like Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin, but other than that I think Super has been "redeemed" from its first year. If they can keep it up I think people will finally see Super as a worthy successor to DBZ.

Until Super stops messing with its characters it will never
be redeemed.

[Lionel]

It's certainly improved by a large margin since the days of the BoG and RoF remakes, but that's still a far cry from being up to the same standards as the original show. The current arc is so interesting because of the introduction of Black, Zamasu and Future Trunks' world. There isn't much that could be done with Goku and Vegeta's characters alone at this point in time. On the other hand, I'm disappointed in the lack of character diversity as well. Future Trunks making a return to the cast is refreshing but it's ultimately still going to come down to Goku. I wasn't expecting Piccolo or Krillin to accomplish much of anything, though it still would have been nice to have some kind of presence from the others. As of late it really does feel like an exclusive show of Goku and Vegeta's with Trunks acting as a guest star.

[pacz360]

Hell no super has not been redeemed the fights in super still sucks the arc so far is a 7-8/10 but ain't over yet so better to back off such statement until it's done.

[Vegard Aune]

Well it is my opinion that every new arc of Super has been better than the one before it. (Freeza's arc might arguably be worse than Beerus's if taken just on its own merits, but seeing how I found the Beerus-arc downright insulting, I'll take the simply boring Shiny Freeza-arc over it any day.) And really, ever since Champa showed up I have been rather enjoying myself despite the animation-quality and inconsistencies. And with the Black-arc, the animation also seems to have gotten better, plus the whole mystery surrounding Black and Zamasu genuinely intrigues me... Like, I fully expected this arc to suck ahead of time, but it's honestly by far the best thing to have come out of Super so far and I'm genuinely looking forward to each new episode...

So short answer: Yes.

[Kagari]

Super got off to a rough start with poorly done movie adaptions, bad animation and lackluster plots. The Universe 6 tournament was also a bit of a mixed bag, simply due to poor animation/fights at the start and shafting Piccolo and Buu out of proper battles. Super was viewed as only marginally better than GT at the start.

But since the Goku Black arc the quality of Super has skyrocketed. The animation on average has marginally improved even if there's still a poorly animated scene here and there, and the plots, writing and handling has all gotten a lot better. Probably the only negative now is still the shafting/neglect of major characters like Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin, but other than that I think Super has been "redeemed" from its first year. If they can keep it up I think people will finally see Super as a worthy successor to DBZ.

Until Super stops messing with its characters it will never
be redeemed.

Yeah the lack of character diversity is really holding it back for me. I was hoping they'd improve on that problem but here we are.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Absolutely. BoG arc was okay, not too good but not too bad. Freeza arc was just a downright disaster, awful writing coupled with terrible art and animation made it a chore to get through. U6 arc started interesting enough, but once the tournament started it was pretty underwhelming and disappointing, it picked up once Vegeta tagged in and ended pretty well, though there was some disappointment that the promised death match between Goku and Hit. But the Black arc has been too good, everything has improved even the godamn soundtrack! If it keeps this way and doesn't end with some anti-climatic BS then I will be satisfied, that is my only worry currently.

[ArchedThunder]

I wouldn't quite say "redeemed". I think the BoG arc was solid enough and F was awful, but regardless starting the series off by retelling two movies really hurt the show's momentum and it sucked up a good junk of the show's run so far. The Champa arc was fun, but ultimately felt kinda pointless, though we are starting to see some of the stuff established in that arc show up again. The current arc is great so far, the art and animation is usually at least solid and we are getting some really nice bits of animation relatively often, and the story is very interesting. Black and Zamasu are set to become some of my favorite Dragon Ball villains. Similar to what Baggie Saiyan said above me, as long as we get a satisfying conclusion to this arc it will be a great arc, but even then that doesn't necessarily mean the show is redeemed. If we can make it to about episode 70 without the story getting really dumb or the art/animation collapsing then I'll consider it truly redeemed.
I don't want to sound too negative though, because I have enjoyed all of the arcs of Super with the exception of the F arc, it's just that BoG being a retelling and Champa not really having the most satisfying ending as well as having its fair share of art and animation issues hurt my overall opinion of those arcs.

[pacz360]

I wouldn't quite say "redeemed". I think the BoG arc was solid enough and F was awful, but regardless starting the series off by retelling two movies really hurt the show's momentum and it sucked up a good junk of the show's run so far. The Champa arc was fun, but ultimately felt kinda pointless, though we are starting to see some of the stuff established in that arc show up again. The current arc is great so far, the art and animation is usually at least solid and we are getting some really nice bits of animation relatively often, and the story is very interesting. Black and Zamasu are set to become some of my favorite Dragon Ball villains. Similar to what Baggie Saiyan said above me, as long as we get a satisfying conclusion to this arc it will be a great arc, but even then that doesn't necessarily mean the show is redeemed. If we can make it to about episode 70 without the story getting really dumb or the art/animation collapsing then I'll consider it truly redeemed.
I don't want to sound too negative though, because I have enjoyed all of the arcs of Super with the exception of the F arc, it's just that BoG being a retelling and Champa not really having the most satisfying ending as well as having its fair share of art and animation issues hurt my overall opinion of those arcs.

My sentiments exactly.

[Doctor.]

I never had any major problems to begin with. Anyone who expected Super to be at the same level as the original series was really as delusional as you can get. The BoG arc was a worse version of the movie, while the F arc was a better version, so I guess it evens out. When Super's "original" material came out, the universal tournament was an average Dragon Ball arc and this one is shaping up to be one of the best. So, really, in my book it was always a worthy sequel, not a great one, probably not even a good one, but still decent enough.

[ArchedThunder]

The action in this arc has been pretty good most of the time. Trunks vs Black, Goku VS Black, Vegeta's gravity room training, Trunks vs Vegeta, Vegeta VS Black and the fight in today's episode are all pretty great pieces of action.
I think this in particular is better than pretty much any piece of action from the original DB, Z and GT shows.

[PMD]

Yes, because basically Super was never that bad as people wants to make it look. It had bad reputation due to nostalgic whiners without any criteria about animation or storytelling. I mean, you may not like it, and I'm fine with it, but the vast majority of the people who dislike it beyond "uh, the animation sucks dude! DBZ was better! (insert a picture of SSJ4 in Fusion Reborn) or "uh, I miss little Gohan and what's up with Yamcha, I want him fighting too" never had a proper argument or debate. And I'm not just talking about this forum, but other websites and social media too.

I would go beyond that and say there's no redemption at all, because never needed a redemption. It is what it is.

[Bullza]

I wouldn't say it was redeemed because I never though it was bad to begin with.

The Battle of Gods saga was overall enjoyable with the infamous Goku and Beerus fight letting it down but that's about it.

The first half of Resurrection F saga was also enjoyable and people didn't seem to have a problem with it at first. It wasn't until the latter half when the fighting started did it start to have some problems but even then I didn't dislike it.

Since then it's been getting better and better. So I'd say it's improved quite a bit but not to the extent it saved the series or anything.

[Alee9977]

I always considered Super a good sequel to Z, the only time I complained about animation was in the Golden Freeza arc, in fact, I didn't even notice a lot of problems the first time I saw episode 5, after that, my complains were Goku's childish behaviour and the bad usage of Z characters, besides that, I always liked Super and now I'm liking it more than ever, the story is really good for being a Dragon Ball arc, and the fights are awesome as well, it's a shame they are too short, but I like how dynamic they are.

[Bansho64]

I would say, it's pretty decent to me. I still don't like it that much but I really did like that cut. I wouldn't say it's been redeemed I guess. It's just ok or almost decent right now to me. That Shida cut was awesome though.

[gofishus]

Nope. For me the main problems with Super:

-lack of character diversity. Only Goku and Vegeta seem to matter. No new Z Fighters introduced. Gohan + co are useless
-Only Goku really matters cause Vegeta never defeats the main bad guy
-the enemies themselves are lacking compared to GT's enemies which are more traditional Z style to me
-SSJ Blue and Rose are just recolors of SSJ whereas SSJ4 is way more original and creative
-power levels incredibly inconsistent
-SSJ2 is the base transformation? cant really tell since the animators make it look the same as SSJ1
-the fights themselves are soooo short. only an episode or two. DBZ was infamous for the 50 episodes or so it took to defeat Cell or Frieza
-lack of emotion.. hard to say but look at when Gohan died in Trunks special compared to the Super flashback... wayyy more emotion in the 90s style than the present.

[Doctor.]

-lack of character diversity. Only Goku and Vegeta seem to matter. No new Z Fighters introduced. Gohan + co are useless

That's not true, even Trunks helped out last episode, so did Yajirobe and Mai's been having a solid role. Piccolo fought in the tournament as well. If your definition of "mattering" is "defeating the villain", then not even Goku and Vegeta matter, because the only main boss they've defeated thus far was Golden Freeza and that was with Whis' help.

I think Whis and Beerus count as part of the cast now.

-Only Goku really matters cause Vegeta never defeats the main bad guy

Neither does Goku. He lost to Beerus twice. He lost to Golden Freeza and only killed him with a cheap-shot and after Whis' help. He lost to Frost and lost to Hit. He now lost to Black and Zamasu.

-the fights themselves are soooo short. only an episode or two. DBZ was infamous for the 50 episodes or so it took to defeat Cell or Frieza

Why is this a bad thing? DBZ's fights ended up as terribly boring as a result.

-lack of emotion.. hard to say but look at when Gohan died in Trunks special compared to the Super flashback... wayyy more emotion in the 90s style than the present.

That was a low-budget episode with a recap scene for the kids who didn't watch or forgot about Z. Super's original scenes have emotion, such as the Goku and Pan episode and everything surrounding future Trunks' emotions. I even think Super is a lot more sentimental than Z ever was.

[dbzfan7]

I'd say so. The BOG arc was subpar with a few good things about it. F was complete shit which is to be expected as F was always shit. The Champa arc was the first real arc, and it was ok. Enjoyable for sure, but really nothing to write home about or parade as a victory. This arc however is the first real worthy arc to continue the story (BOG movie was good though). The first arc where the the choreography has mostly gotten better, the story is actually interesting, and a darker tone which people mocked is now present. Though they still show levity to not let things get too depressing. There's still problems, but even so the high points really outweigh the low points I think.

They even have started fixing the Goku and Vegeta show problem, with Trunks being a real main character, and Zamasu taking up a lot of time to show his progression. Hopefully they keep on building from this.

[Helios518]

This maybe because I didn't think Super really started until Champa Arc did but makes me say that Super is consistent in quality but slowly inching towards better quality even if we don't notice right now. Three of my major problems with it is

1. how art is inconsistent (This is slowly getting better)

2. Power levels are everywhere

3. Not enough time for other characters besides Goku and Vegeta to shine.

[nite_jay]

I never really need a show to "redeem" itself. I watch, and if I like it, then I like it. If I don't like it, I don't like it. Super doesn't owe me anything. If anything, I owe something to it for watching it illegally.