Don't want to start a power level debate, but from this image, are we to understand...

[z_cherub]

That SSJ2 can be trained to the point of being efficient enough to reach or nearly reach SSJ3 power output?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Has Goku trained his SSJ2 to this point given that [spoiler]Whis says that Trunk's SSJ2 has only a slight adventage over Goku's?[/spoiler]

Apologies if this has been brought up. I read chapter 15 today and haven't seen it brought up here.

Thx.

[TheMikado]

That SSJ2 can be trained to the point of being efficient enough to reach or nearly reach SSJ3 power output?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Has Goku trained his SSJ2 to this point given that [spoiler]Whis says that Trunk's SSJ2 has only a slight adventage over Goku's?[/spoiler]

Apologies if this has been brought up. I read chapter 15 today and haven't seen it brought up here.

Thx.

Yes that's what that means

[z_cherub]

Okay, so we know that SSJ3 comes with extraordinary ki drain, & only a dead guy & a guy with an element of magic could attain it. Would this ultimately make SSJ2 practical/useful in place of SSJ3 due to similar power output & higher efficiency?

[Muffin Man]

It means no one likes drawing all that hair all the time so they purposely made the form irrelevant.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku's and Vegeta's base should be stronger than SS2 Trunks.

[buutenks]

It means no one likes drawing all that hair all the time so they purposely made the form irrelevant.

This person gets it.

[z_cherub]

Goku's and Vegeta's base should be stronger than SS2 Trunks.

...and yet it's not according to this manga chapter...

[TheMikado]

Goku's and Vegeta's base should be stronger than SS2 Trunks.

...and yet it's not according to this manga chapter...

That's correct.

[fadeddreams5]

Okay, so we know that SSJ3 comes with extraordinary ki drain, & only a dead guy & a guy with an element of magic could attain it. Would this ultimately make SSJ2 practical/useful in place of SSJ3 due to similar power output & higher efficiency?

It depends what you consider higher efficiency. Trunks spent years training his SSJ2 form to perfect it. Goku skipped that by attaining a form that, all things considered, is still more powerful and faster, if only ever so slightly.

[z_cherub]

Okay, so we know that SSJ3 comes with extraordinary ki drain, & only a dead guy & a guy with an element of magic could attain it. Would this ultimately make SSJ2 practical/useful in place of SSJ3 due to similar power output & higher efficiency?

It depends what you consider higher efficiency. Trunks spent years training his SSJ2 form to perfect it. Goku skipped that by attaining a form that, all things considered, is still more powerful and faster, if only ever so slightly.

Good point. I'm thinking of current status quo, not necessarily time to get there. Then there is the ki drain of SSJ3. Perhaps there really is something unnatural about SSJ3 & no living mortals can/should be able to perform it?

[Rubens]

Hm, personally I see super saiyan 3 as a full output of one's power translated into a transformation, similar (but better) to the ssj grade forms. Maybe Goku's ssj2 is almost just as good as Trunks's (in the manga) and ssj3 is a just step above ssj2's maximum. That could also explain how Vegeta's enraged ssj2 form surppassed Goku, even though that was before god ki training.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't mind Trunks' SSJ2 power. In fact, I like it. Rage Vegeta annoyed me to no end, however. It was just stupid and inconsistent.

[Analytical Delusion]

Hm, personally I see super saiyan 3 as a full output of one's power translated into a transformation, similar (but better) to the ssj grade forms. Maybe Goku's ssj2 is almost just as good as Trunks's (in the manga) and ssj3 is a just step above ssj2's maximum. That could also explain how Vegeta's enraged ssj2 form surppassed Goku, even though that was before god ki training.

I kind of like this theory.

Something like SSJ : SSJ2 :: SSJ grade 2 : SSJ3 :: Mastered SSJ : Mastered SSJ2? We could even tie in Vegeta's 'Mutated' SSJ2 in the Mastered SSJ2 category.

In general though, I think SSJ3 is a form that as has been mentioned, is only attainable in unnatural circumstances. While dead (Goku) and while fused (Gotenks, and training it in the ROSAT came into play with him too). But if Trunks did manage to master SSJ2, a lot of this stuff makes more sense. We'll need to see how Toyotaro handles it I think. My rule of thumb is, if something takes place in both the anime AND manga, it's probably Toriyama's idea.

[Rip the Jacker]

This kinda makes you wonder how strong the buu saga characters are in comparison to Super.

Mystic Gohan would still be a powerhouse if he were still around. Super Gotenks is still a factor. Some of these characters still have to power to have a place on the battlefield.