Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

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Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:03 pm

From a personal obserbation around this forum I've noticed that a certain portiom of the fanbase have been calling out DBSuper (or post 2000 material) for not being "violent" like they were back in the 80-90's, some of the reasons (my personal obserbation) being lack of blood, broken limps and not being "brutal" but, I ask:

Is that really enough to say that violence is absent or not in the franchise?

To this day, even on DBSuper, we still have a bunch of dudes engaging in physical confrontation hurting each other, (Beerus) mass murdering of entire species from a planets, physical torture, mortal wounds such as impalling and holes in the chest by laser beams.
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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:11 pm

It's all still in there in concept, but the on-screen visual representation of it is absolutely toned down. This is due to a variety of factors, but namely (1) it's airing in a weekend morning timeslot now compared to the Wednesdays at 7:00 p.m. during the 90s, and (2) the expectation of exporting the show to an international audience, so it's easier to tone it down from the start to make it more appealing to licensees than to make them do the dirty work later on with visual edits.

There's the occasional cough of blood and such, but it's nowhere near the amount of scraped up, dirty, wounded warriors we had before.

Conversely, the scraped up, dirty, wounded warriors we had before was rarely in the realm of violence-pr0n some fans mistakenly remember it to be.

On the flipside of all that, Cell Jr. brains went and got exploded in the manga.

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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:11 pm

People are still trying to hurt each other, but by that loose standard Pikmin is way more violent than Super. What is lacking is the impact, the edge (can that word still be used unironically?)

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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by LightBing » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:55 pm

I think there's a wrong association of gore with violence. They are different and while gore might exacerbate certain types of violence, it's a drop in a bucket. A simple scream is much more representative of violence compared with a bloody character.
Dragon Ball being a cartoon, further reduces the impact of gore. With real people, the lack of realism might negatively affect the violence, in a drawing you're already in a fantasy setting, so that doesn't factor in.

I think one of the main problems with Super is lack of consistency in injuries, in one episode they bleed from a ki blast and in the other they don't. This type of thing does turn people off.

Super has less violence because it had less opportunity's for it. There have been few Freeza type characters to torture people, like he did with Gohan, one of the most violent moments in Super yet.
Regarding the lack of visuals, VegettoEX already summarized it above.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:12 pm

The current arc in Super has feel more darker and violent compare to the last few sagas. Even the ROF movie felt more darker and violent compare to Battle of Gods.
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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by THEGOKU » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:46 pm

Certainly the manga has been very violent in terms of showing blood and the Cell Jr. head explosion and other examples but Super does lack the "violence" that was in Z. Gt was not violent at all from what I could remember seeing. I could very well be wrong its been a while since I have seen it. It is more for the impact as another user said and to show how destructive an attack really was and it makes sense. In a series where guys are constantly hitting each other and being blasted with planet size Ki blast there needs to be those attacks or moves that show just how damaging it really was. When Freeza hit Gohan in the RoF arc with those finger blast if it was Z he would have been drenched in blood but as mentioned Z aired on TV at 7pm not 9am. As much as there is the want (myself included) for Super to have those attacks that just separate themselves from everything else because of the tier of violence it is on that just won't happen.

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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by John Doe » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:05 pm

DB/Z/GT was never really that violent, it's not Fist of the North Star or Berserk. When Freeza killed Dende's brother, that was probably the darkest, most disturbing thing in DB. It certainly wasn't the most violent but it was dark as hell. Violence and death don't mean much anymore when they can keep reviving people with the dragonballs and even if they can't Whis can just rewind time to undo all the damage.

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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by Cipher » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:40 pm

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:People are still trying to hurt each other, but by that loose standard Pikmin is way more violent than Super. What is lacking is the impact, the edge (can that word still be used unironically?)
Yes, but you have to get out of the most juvenile parts of the internet. [PANK], my favorite literary magazine, still uses it, and that's good enough for me.

I legit hate the internet for ruining "edge," a word with genuine, non-ironic uses in describing art. Also for giving us "cringey" where "cringe-inducing" or just "embarrassing" will do.

2016 was not a good year for internet lexicon.

Re: topic: What VegettoEX said. Sorry. I just popped in here for this reply.

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Re: Is violence absent or not in Dragon Ball (franchise)?

Post by DragonBallLove » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:33 am

Cipher wrote:
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:People are still trying to hurt each other, but by that loose standard Pikmin is way more violent than Super. What is lacking is the impact, the edge (can that word still be used unironically?)
Yes, but you have to get out of the most juvenile parts of the internet. [PANK], my favorite literary magazine, still uses it, and that's good enough for me.

I legit hate the internet for ruining "edge," a word with genuine, non-ironic uses in describing art. Also for giving us "cringey" where "cringe-inducing" or just "embarrassing" will do.

2016 was not a good year for internet lexicon.

Re: topic: What VegettoEX said. Sorry. I just popped in here for this reply.
Its a fad. It will go, no edge there.

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