Freeza vs. the Genki-dama

[Lupin879]

Goku wanted to use the Genkidama against Frieza. Okay, in the anime, Kai and Z, before Goku uses the energy of Namek, but this was not enough, and then he takes the energy of nearby stars, not planets, but stars, and at the end he takes the energy of all stars of the universe. In the manga, english version, he takes energy of Namek and many stars nearby ( in the English version translated planets, but the exact translation is stars ). But I can read in the manga he takes the stars of the universe, can someone help me with th japanese?

[Darkprince410]

He specifically asks for the planets close to Namek to donate their genki.

Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

The issue with the translations is that the word hoshi, 星, can mean either "star" or "planet" depending on the context of how it's used, because it was originally used for the points of light in the sky in earlier times (which could be planets or stars). It's carried over since then and is still used for either star or planet, even though there are more accurate and specific words for each.

Regardless, Goku's only mention of universe in all that was the threat Freeza posed to it if he wasn't killed there, and that he was only asking for genki from the stars/planets that were close to Namek, not the entire universe.

[Lupin879]

He specifically asks for the planets close to Namek to donate their genki.

Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

The issue with the translations is that the word hoshi, 星, can mean either "star" or "planet" depending on the context of how it's used, because it was originally used for the points of light in the sky in earlier times (which could be planets or stars). It's carried over since then and is still used for either star or planet, even though there are more accurate and specific words for each.

Regardless, Goku's only mention of universe in all that was the threat Freeza posed to it if he wasn't killed there, and that he was only asking for genki from the stars/planets that were close to Namek, not the entire universe.

Thanks, but I read just stars (星) not planets (惑星). However in the anime, both Kai and Z, Goku asked the energy of the stars of all universe.

[Darkprince410]

Thanks, but I read just stars (星) not planets (惑星). However in the anime, both Kai and Z, Goku asked the energy of the stars of all universe.

As said, even 星 by itself is used often for both stars and planets. It's like the word automobile when describing a car or a truck, in that it's a catch all term used for both, despite there being more specific terms available for either. So even though 星 is being used, it can be either stars or planets, and in the context of everything seen, it'd fit planets better (especially in the anime, since we even see the genki coming from other planets).

As for the anime saying all the stars in the universe, that sounds like inaccurate translations, for I don't recall in either Z or Kai Goku asking for energy from all the stars in the universe. As said before, the only time he brings up universe is when talking about the threat Freeza posed to it, and that being it.

[Nejishiki]

As said, even 星 by itself is used often for both stars and planets. It's like the word automobile when describing a car or a truck, in that it's a catch all term used for both, despite there being more specific terms available for either. So even though 星 is being used, it can be either stars or planets, and in the context of everything seen, it'd fit planets better (especially in the anime, since we even see the genki coming from other planets).

As for the anime saying all the stars in the universe, that sounds like inaccurate translations, for I don't recall in either Z or Kai Goku asking for energy from all the stars in the universe. As said before, the only time he brings up universe is when talking about the threat Freeza posed to it, and that being it.

It's not so much an inaccurate translation than it is an misunderstood hearing.

Goku: "I can't beat Freeza with just the energy from this planet."
Goku: "Those planets in Namek, I only need a little from each of you..."
Goku: "Share some of your Genki with me!"
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Narrator: "A Genki Dama, loaded with the hopes of the universe."
Narrator: "Will this turn out to be Goku's very last card?"

You're pretty much on the mark. In context, "universe" didn't refer to the Genki Dama's power. In the same episode, Goku used "universe" to refer to Freeza's destructive actions, as you said. Once more, it isn't referring to the Genki Dama.

[Lupin879]

Excuse me for saying so, but that translation is totally wrong. In Z Kai, they say, the energy of all the stars in the universe, or infinite space.

This Spanish translation translates well, although the new edition has a more accurate translation and it translates stars.


and what does it mean Those planets in Namek ? Namek is a planet how is it possible planets in Namek scuse me

[Puto]

No, the Spanish translation is clearly wrong there.

The Japanese is "ko... kono namekkusei to chikaku ni aru takusan no hoshi yo!!"

ultraliterally, "Th... This planet Namek and the many [planets/stars] that exist nearby!!"

kono = this
namekkusei = planet Namek
to = and
chikaku = nearby
ni aru = that exist
takusan = many
hoshi = planets/stars

The 'chikaku' there completely destroys the idea that it would be all the planets in the universe.

Checking the closed captions Z and Kai have *almost* the same line:
"ナメック星の近くにあるたくさんの星よ｡" -- "namekkusei no chikaku ni aru takusan no hoshi yo."

ultraliterally, "The many [planets/stars] that exist near planet Namek."

So no, in neither the anime nor the manga is Goku getting energy from the entire universe, in that particular line.

With that said, DBZ 92's next episode preview does have Gohan saying "everyone living in the universe, share your genki with Dad", and Goku echoes this request in episode 93. So in the anime, he later does ask for the energy of the entire universe. There might be some later line in the manga requesting the same thing, but it's not the page you posted.

[Lupin879]

Thank you so much! Very kind! My japanese is not so rich yet. However you say this
"With that said, DBZ 92's next episode preview does have Gohan saying "everyone living in the universe, share your genki with Dad", and Goku echoes this request in episode 93. So in the anime, he later does ask for the energy of the entire universe. There might be some later line in the manga requesting the same thing, but it's not the page you posted."

Is this happened in Z and kai?
Yes?

And in the manga?

[Nejishiki]

The next chapter in the manga doesn't feature that dialogue. Kuririn deduces the Genki Dama is large because he's gathering genki from surrounding planets. If there are specific moments where dispute may exist, I'd have to know.

[FoolsGil]

Was it ever answered why Goku didn't use the energy from Namek's 3 suns?

[Hitiro]

Was it ever answered why Goku didn't use the energy from Namek's 3 suns?

Maybe he did? There is nowhere in the story that explicitly states he didn't pull the energy from the suns too, right? Suns would fall under stars which would also translate into Hoshi. When Goku requests the stars/planets to give him some of their Genki it doesn't have to be one exclusive thing. It's possible that Hoshi was specifically said here because Goku was drawing on both stars and planets otherwise we would have had a more literal word if he was drawing from something specific like Darkprince410 said because there are more specific terms available for either.

[Nejishiki]

The sun is presented as a valid source of genki by North Kaio. Strictly speaking, it's only stated he gathered genki from surrounding planets. As mentioned, the catchall character of 星 could indirectly reference the suns, but I'm afraid absolute clarity doesn't exist. It's not made easier by the fact the Genki Dama is different with every use (despite the Super Genki Dama actually working differently).

[Wizard Sesame]

It's not made easier by the fact the Genki Dama is different with every use (despite the Super Genki Dama actually working differently).

Probably simply misreading what you're saying, but what do you mean?

[Nejishiki]

I'll try to remain simple: We go from a small, hand-formed Genki Dama to a Genki Dama formed in the atmosphere (or wherever it was growing) to a "Super Genki Dama" which added willing donations of genki, as opposed to general lifting. It's never the same each time it appears and the method is altered for its final use. You could always chalk the difference between the first two as planetary, I suppose.

[Bansho64]

I'll try to remain simple: We go from a small, hand-formed Genki Dama to a Genki Dama formed in the atmosphere (or wherever it was growing) to a "Super Genki Dama" which added willing donations of genki, as opposed to general lifting. It's never the same each time it appears and the method is altered for its final use. You could always chalk the difference between the first two as planetary, I suppose.

I really we had seen more of the regular hand-formed version. It always looked pretty cool to me.

[Darkprince410]

Excuse me for saying so, but that translation is totally wrong. In Z Kai, they say, the energy of all the stars in the universe, or infinite space.

This Spanish translation translates well, although the new edition has a more accurate translation and it translates stars.


and what does it mean Those planets in Namek ? Namek is a planet how is it possible planets in Namek scuse me

They're saying in Namek as in the Namekian planetary system.

[Freeza Heika]

Excuse me for saying so, but that translation is totally wrong. In Z Kai, they say, the energy of all the stars in the universe, or infinite space.

This Spanish translation translates well, although the new edition has a more accurate translation and it translates stars.


and what does it mean Those planets in Namek ? Namek is a planet how is it possible planets in Namek scuse me

They're saying in Namek as in the Namekian planetary system.

Solar systems are named after the star, not the planets in them.

The genkidama is a ball of life energy; stars are cool and all but they are not alive, ergo they have no energy to give. Goku was summoning energy from animals and plants on alien worlds only.

[Darkprince410]

Solar systems are named after the star, not the planets in them.

The genkidama is a ball of life energy; stars are cool and all but they are not alive, ergo they have no energy to give. Goku was summoning energy from animals and plants on alien worlds only.

Look at the context of what's being said, and the only logical conclusion is that when he said the "planets in Namek", Goku meant the planets within the same system as Namek. There are obviously no planets within the planet Namek, so the only logical conclusion he's meaning is the other planets within the Namekian system. Besides, in a number of fantasy and science fiction works, the planetary system has been named based (at least in part) on one planet of the system rather than the star for it. Star Trek, for example, has had Earth's system called "The Terran System" before rather than "The Solar System", using Earth as the reference point rather than the Sun. So it's not completely out there for Goku to say that, especially without knowing the names of any of the stars of the Namekian system.

[Kamiccolo9]

Solar systems are named after the star, not the planets in them.

The genkidama is a ball of life energy; stars are cool and all but they are not alive, ergo they have no energy to give. Goku was summoning energy from animals and plants on alien worlds only.

Look at the context of what's being said, and the only logical conclusion is that when he said the "planets in Namek", Goku meant the planets within the same system as Namek. There are obviously no planets within the planet Namek, so the only logical conclusion he's meaning is the other planets within the Namekian system. Besides, in a number of fantasy and science fiction works, the planetary system has been named based (at least in part) on one planet of the system rather than the star for it. Star Trek, for example, has had Earth's system called "The Terran System" before rather than "The Solar System", using Earth as the reference point rather than the Sun. So it's not completely out there for Goku to say that, especially without knowing the names of any of the stars of the Namekian system.

As another example, the Yavin system in Star Wars is named after the planet Yavin.

[Polyphase Avatron]

is there any real way to determine how much genki is in a lifeless planet or star anyway? It seems to come primarily from living beings.