Trunks' unnamed power-up is stronger than SSJBlue

[Mazingerdestro]

Well that was expected but I wasn't thinking such deference in power. Trunks in a 1v1 battle might have a chance to win. Compare to Blue that in rage mode did no damage.
My theory is something like "adding different percents of ki in your body" instead of going full god ki, you add 70% normal ki+30% god ki. So yeah maybe Toriyama's idea of "no new forms" is improving the control and changing ki control to the point where normal ki and God ki can each be 50% in your body.

[Saturnine]

What would be the point of that? 100% God Ki makes you the strongest anyway.

Also, back when SSj God was introduced, SSj3 Goku's Full Power was hardly 1% of SSjG Goku's full power. So the volume of God ki you gain upon ascending to godhood entirely trumps your previous regular ki.

[UpFromTheSkies]

What makes you think that? Goku has the ability to become SSG on his own, but he's using SSB instead because it's stronger. He even turned SSG before powering up to SSB in the manga.

[Mazingerdestro]

What would be the point of that? 100% God Ki makes you the strongest anyway.

Also, back when SSj God was introduced, SSj3 Goku's Full Power was hardly 1% of SSjG Goku's full power. So the volume of God ki you gain upon ascending to godhood entirely trumps your previous regular ki.

Yeah a hybrid version would be even better. Perfect ki control+rage boosts

[Mazingerdestro]

What makes you think that? Goku has the ability to become SSG on his own, but he's using SSB instead because it's stronger. He even turned SSG before powering up to SSB in the manga.

Don't use manga logic in the anime. They are completely different

[Saturnine]

What would be the point of that? 100% God Ki makes you the strongest anyway.

Also, back when SSj God was introduced, SSj3 Goku's Full Power was hardly 1% of SSjG Goku's full power. So the volume of God ki you gain upon ascending to godhood entirely trumps your previous regular ki.

Yeah a hybrid version would be even better. Perfect ki control+rage boosts

SSj Blue already has perfect ki control.

There is absolutely no reason or need to balance regular and god ki, simply because of how much more God ki one has.

[UpFromTheSkies]

What makes you think that? Goku has the ability to become SSG on his own, but he's using SSB instead because it's stronger. He even turned SSG before powering up to SSB in the manga.

Don't use manga logic in the anime. They are completely different

He can turn SSG on his own in the anime too, right? If it's stronger, why would he use SSB instead? Even if he can't change on his own, you'd think they'd use the ritual to turn at least one of them into SSG before going to the future if it's actually stronger, but they didn't. And yeah, it probably drains the others of energy, but they have senzu beans.

[ekrolo2]

What makes you think that? Goku has the ability to become SSG on his own, but he's using SSB instead because it's stronger. He even turned SSG before powering up to SSB in the manga.

Don't use manga logic in the anime. They are completely different

He can turn SSG on his own in the anime too, right? If it's stronger, why would he use SSB instead? Even if he can't change on his own, you'd think they'd use the ritual to turn at least one of them into SSG before going to the future if it's actually stronger, but they didn't. And yeah, it probably drains the others of energy, but they have senzu beans.

He can't use it, at least, not as its own form like in the manga. Goku's increased base form is him essentially absorbing most of SSGs power into his regular state & Super Saiyan, hence why you have stuff like the two base theory going around. In the manga, Goku didn't absorb SSG as he just uses it as any other form in his repertoire.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Don't use manga logic in the anime. They are completely different

He can turn SSG on his own in the anime too, right? If it's stronger, why would he use SSB instead? Even if he can't change on his own, you'd think they'd use the ritual to turn at least one of them into SSG before going to the future if it's actually stronger, but they didn't. And yeah, it probably drains the others of energy, but they have senzu beans.

He can't use it, at least, not as its own form like in the manga. Goku's increased base form is him essentially absorbing most of SSGs power into his regular state & Super Saiyan, hence why you have stuff like the two base theory going around. In the manga, Goku didn't absorb SSG as he just uses it as any other form in his repertoire.

Hm I thought he turned SSG on his own during his fight with Beerus Either way, though, if it's stronger than SSB, wouldn't they have turned one of them into a SSG before going to the future?

[ekrolo2]

Hm I thought he turned SSG on his own during his fight with Beerus Either way, though, if it's stronger than SSB, wouldn't they have turned one of them into a SSG before going to the future?

He did in the movie but the anime has him use SS for the rest of the fight- The manga has the fight end immediately after he loses God and the manga has since treated it as just another form that's stronger than SS3 instead of a permanent boost to his default stats.

[Lord Beerus]

It really isn't. Black and Zamasu basically no sold most of Raging SSJ(2?) Future Trunks assault.

[Marlowe89]

It really isn't. Black and Zamasu basically no sold most of Raging SSJ(2?) Future Trunks assault.

This. I don't see any solid indication that Trunks' new transformation was stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku. In fact, Trunks' battle against Black played out in exactly the same way Goku's did; he got angry, knocked Black around for a bit, and then the tables turned when Black got serious.

Despite that, I do think it's impressive that Trunks was able to trigger a godlike transformation. I wasn't sure if Toei would ever do it, but they did.

[Hugo Boss]

Actually, it's pretty obvious that Trunks surpassed Goku and Vegeta with this new transformation. Black already surpassed Goku and it looked like Trunks would be no match for him but he proved the contrary. Not to mention Trunks is holding off both Black and Zamasu, something neither Goku nor Vegeta can do.

[sintzu]

I haven't seen the last few episodes so can someone tell me what Trunks' form is ? is it a half SsjB ? it seems like it due to the aura but was anything said about it or was it just "Trunks has a new form that puts him above Goku because we say so" ?

[nite_jay]

I haven't seen the last few episodes so can someone tell me what Trunks' form is ? is it a half SsjB ? it seems like it due to the aura but was anything said about it or was it just "Trunks has a new form that puts him above Goku because we say so" ?

I wouldn't really call it a new form yet. If we get no new info then I'd assume its just a powered up SSJ2. Also nothing implied he was stronger than Goku or Vegeta...

[sintzu]

Also nothing implied he was stronger than Goku or Vegeta...

Both can barely do anything against one of them while he's putting up a fight with both of them so he's clearly at least somewhat stronger than them...somehow.

[Alehandrew]

Also nothing implied he was stronger than Goku or Vegeta...

Both can barely do anything against one of them while he's putting up a fight with both of them so he's clearly at least somewhat stronger than them...somehow.

Just another example of transformations not really meaning much anymore other than to sell toys. Any character at any transformation level can put up a fight if they want it to happen.

[sintzu]

Just another example of transformations not really meaning much anymore other than to sell toys.

The franchise is slowly going from being a story to a toy commercial like Yu Gi Oh/Pokemon and things will get worse thanks to the new dragon ball "room".

[Marlowe89]

Actually, it's pretty obvious that Trunks surpassed Goku and Vegeta with this new transformation. Black already surpassed Goku and it looked like Trunks would be no match for him but he proved the contrary. Not to mention Trunks is holding off both Black and Zamasu, something neither Goku nor Vegeta can do.

Was it ever stated that Black got stronger after getting smacked around by rage Goku or was he just getting serious? I'll have to take a look at the scene again.

[buutenks]

Actually, it's pretty obvious that Trunks surpassed Goku and Vegeta with this new transformation. Black already surpassed Goku and it looked like Trunks would be no match for him but he proved the contrary. Not to mention Trunks is holding off both Black and Zamasu, something neither Goku nor Vegeta can do.

Was it ever stated that Black got stronger after getting smacked around by rage Goku or was he just getting serious? I'll have to take a look at the scene again.

Zamasu says Black Rose ki got bigger after the Goku beating.

As for if Trunks surpass Goku and Vegeta, obviously. He took Black Rose's and Zamasu's attacks head on and was alright. While Vegeta and Goku got downed in a few hits. Plus NEP shows Trunks fighting Black Rose on an even level.

Also, i dont see any problem with Trunks surpassing ssj blue. Freeza did it, and he started out as so much weaker than Trunks. Plus Trunks was already close to ssj blue in the anime.

I am curious how the manga will handle it. Will Trunks get a new form, or will he not even be there to fight. I guess it depends how Toyotaru feels about powering up Trunks or not.