Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

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Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:42 pm

It's been established that Zeno is the strongest person in DB's lore and multiverse, however is he stronger than any one being that could be formed through fusion and/or an ultimate transformation with Godly power?
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Potara Champa + Beerus = Champus?
Potara Vados + Whis = Vadhis?
Fusion Dance of Champus + Vadhis = Vadhichamus?
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:54 pm

theherodjl wrote:It's been established that Zeno is the strongest person in DB's lore and multiverse, however is he stronger than any one being that could be formed through fusion and/or an ultimate transformation with Godly power?
GT SSJB4 Vegetto?
Potara Champa + Beerus = Champus?
Potara Vados + Whis = Vadhis?
Fusion Dance of Champus + Vadhis = Vadhichamus?
Well, it seems he isn't "strong" in the conventional sense, but rather he seems to have high level reality warping powers that function on a multiversal scale, so I'd imagine that he could simply will himself to be stronger than anybody.

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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:10 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Well, it seems he isn't "strong" in the conventional sense, but rather he seems to have high level reality warping powers that function on a multiversal scale, so I'd imagine that he could simply will himself to be stronger than anybody.
We don't actually know if Zeno can warp reality, all we know that he has far greater degree of power than even Daishinkan(who is stronger than Whis & Vados).
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:16 pm

theherodjl wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Well, it seems he isn't "strong" in the conventional sense, but rather he seems to have high level reality warping powers that function on a multiversal scale, so I'd imagine that he could simply will himself to be stronger than anybody.
We don't actually know if Zeno can warp reality, all we know that he has far greater degree of power than even Daishinkan(who is stronger than Whis & Vados).
He seems to possess the power to create and erase universes by merely wishing it, though.

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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:15 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:He seems to possess the power to create and erase universes by merely wishing it, though.
Where was it stated that he can create universes? He is described as the king of everything but not necessarily it's creator.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:18 pm

theherodjl wrote:It's been established that Zeno is the strongest person in DB's lore and multiverse, however is he stronger than any one being that could be formed through fusion and/or an ultimate transformation with Godly power?
GT SSJB4 Vegetto?
Potara Champa + Beerus = Champus?
Potara Vados + Whis = Vadhis?
Fusion Dance of Champus + Vadhis = Vadhichamus?
Actually, the character Akira is the strongest in canon.

Toriyama's author avatar is the strongest. Zeno ranks 2nd.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:29 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Actually, the character Akira is the strongest in canon.

Toriyama's author avatar is the strongest. Zeno ranks 2nd.
He's a joke character at best, despite appearing multiple times in the comic and anime he is treated merely as a gag character in every scenario. I mean he was lost in the Dragon World despite being it's creator and was afraid of Oozaru Kid Goku in the first volume of DB.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:31 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Actually, the character Akira is the strongest in canon.

Toriyama's author avatar is the strongest. Zeno ranks 2nd.
He's a joke character at best, despite appearing multiple times in the comic and anime he is treated merely as a gag character in every scenario. I mean he was lost in the Dragon World despite being it's creator and was afraid of Oozaru Kid Goku in the first volume of DB.
Regardless, the Daizenshuu says he's the ruler of everything.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:31 pm

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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:44 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Regardless, the Daizenshuu says he's the ruler of everything.
Out of universe sure but Zeno has replaced him in-universe.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:55 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Regardless, the Daizenshuu says he's the ruler of everything.
Out of universe sure but Zeno has replaced him in-universe.
No, in-universe, Akira outranks Zeno.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:58 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:No, in-universe, Akira outranks Zeno.
That was literally decades before Zeno was introduced in the story when the Daiz was first released, so no.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by sintzu » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:02 pm

Based on what Whis said it doesn't look like he's physically strong but he can somehow destroy whatever he wants at will.

Assuming of course that he isn't another mr.Satan who's making it all up and there's another being who's been doing what he said he did.
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Post by Makaioshin » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:11 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote: Toriyama's author avatar is the strongest. Zeno ranks 2nd.
I don't know about that. He seemed pretty incompetent and unable to control his own characters in Dr. Slump.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:32 pm

He's the strongest until Toriyama writes about someone stronger.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:22 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
theherodjl wrote:It's been established that Zeno is the strongest person in DB's lore and multiverse, however is he stronger than any one being that could be formed through fusion and/or an ultimate transformation with Godly power?
GT SSJB4 Vegetto?
Potara Champa + Beerus = Champus?
Potara Vados + Whis = Vadhis?
Fusion Dance of Champus + Vadhis = Vadhichamus?
Actually, the character Akira is the strongest in canon.

Toriyama's author avatar is the strongest. Zeno ranks 2nd.
He doesn't exist. Get over it. He's a gag character at best. In fact, he's not even a real in-universe character at all. Just you wait until they introduce the ZENOSHIN. Supreme Creator God of all existence! An actual real in-universe character! That looks way Way better than that weird thing they keep popping up in interviews and Toriyama quotes. You simply can't take "that thing" seriously!

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Post by omaro34 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:27 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:He's the strongest until Toriyama writes about someone stronger.
How much stronger can you get than that? Blow up Universes in a blink of an eye, everyone shudders at his name, and he's the overseer of everything. They're already overpowered as it is.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:55 pm

omaro34 wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:He's the strongest until Toriyama writes about someone stronger.
How much stronger can you get than that? Blow up Universes in a blink of an eye, everyone shudders at his name, and he's the overseer of everything. They're already overpowered as it is.
And this would be the best opportunity to introduce Tori-Bot. And in his debut appearance, he pimp-slaps Zeno. Wiping out universes for getting a little mad... Bitch, not in my house!

EDIT: I just remember Tori-Bot already debuted in the original manga. :P
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:01 pm

A fusion of two LOL RAGETAS! would stomp him.
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Re: Is Zeno Stronger Than Any Hypothetical Fusion Or Transformation?

Post by omaro34 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:34 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
omaro34 wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:He's the strongest until Toriyama writes about someone stronger.
How much stronger can you get than that? Blow up Universes in a blink of an eye, everyone shudders at his name, and he's the overseer of everything. They're already overpowered as it is.
And this wouldbe the best opportunity to introduce Tori-Bot. And in his debut appearance, he pimp-slaps Zeno. Wiping out universes for getting a little mad... Bitch, not in my house!
LMAO Tori-Bot's power would be so strong it would break scouters in other timelines.
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