Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

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Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Kid Buu » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:08 am

So I was watching Oliver Hirschbiegel's Downfall, and I couldn't help but think at the back of my head how DB fans like to compare Hitler to Freeza. I don't really see many parallels other than the fact that they are both viewed as antagonists. To me Freeza's relationship with Planet Vegeta feels more like being a mafia boss than being a dictator. What do you guys think?
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by The Monkey King » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:28 am

Both Freeza and Hitler are racist and genocidal.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Cipher » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:01 am

It's because of Freeza's tiny mustache.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:08 am

I'd say a big part of it too is that Hitler is still pretty much the be-all and end-all when you try to think of real world villains: pretty much literally the worst person to be compared to, that absolutely everyone is gonna know. So when trying to describe Freeza's villainy, he's the easiest person for a lot of people to compare him to.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:14 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd say a big part of it too is that Hitler is still pretty much the be-all and end-all when you try to think of real world villains: pretty much literally the worst person to be compared to, that absolutely everyone is gonna know. So when trying to describe Freeza's villainy, he's the easiest person for a lot of people to compare him to.
Hitler was horrific, but Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong are on the same level of crimes against humanity.
To me Freeza's relationship with Planet Vegeta feels more like being a mafia boss than being a dictator
I don't see much of a difference in essence between a mafia boss and a dictator.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by thomas1up » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:30 am

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd say a big part of it too is that Hitler is still pretty much the be-all and end-all when you try to think of real world villains: pretty much literally the worst person to be compared to, that absolutely everyone is gonna know. So when trying to describe Freeza's villainy, he's the easiest person for a lot of people to compare him to.
Hitler was horrific, but Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong are on the same level of crimes against humanity.
Definitely true, however I'd argue that Hitler is much more publicly known, you'll find people who don't know the latter two or even Stalin in some cases, but I don't think there's anyone over the age of 9 who doesn't know who Hitler is.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:45 am

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd say a big part of it too is that Hitler is still pretty much the be-all and end-all when you try to think of real world villains: pretty much literally the worst person to be compared to, that absolutely everyone is gonna know. So when trying to describe Freeza's villainy, he's the easiest person for a lot of people to compare him to.
Hitler was horrific, but Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong are on the same level of crimes against humanity.
Definitely true, however I'd argue that Hitler is much more publicly known, you'll find people who don't know the latter two or even Stalin in some cases, but I don't think there's anyone over the age of 9 who doesn't know who Hitler is.
True and what a sad commentary on the state of our educational system.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:54 am

Oh trust me, I'm aware there are others out there who committed just as heinous things as Hitler did - that's why I included the bit about being better known. Whereas everyone knows who Hitler was and what he did, not as many people are going to know others (though at least Stalin they'd know in passing, I'd hope). Again, it's just the easiest comparison someone could make to a real life figure.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by rereboy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:59 am

ABED wrote: True and what a sad commentary on the state of our educational system.
It's natural for education, with the limited resources and time that it has, to focus more on what influenced and was more important to the country. Hitler simply was a more important factor in history for most western countries, with his crimes being largely linked to why he had that importance.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:09 pm

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote: True and what a sad commentary on the state of our educational system.
It's natural for education, with the limited resources and time that it has, to focus more on what influenced and was more important to the country. Hitler simply was a more important factor in history for most western countries, with his crimes being largely linked to why he had that importance.
Stalin is certainly up there in terms of impact on the world during the Cold War and certainly in terms of body count.

Anyway, Freeza is most certainly a dictator, and not just a mafia boss. He's a government of one over a vast empire.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:23 pm

ABED wrote:
rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote: True and what a sad commentary on the state of our educational system.
It's natural for education, with the limited resources and time that it has, to focus more on what influenced and was more important to the country. Hitler simply was a more important factor in history for most western countries, with his crimes being largely linked to why he had that importance.
Stalin is certainly up there in terms of impact on the world during the Cold War and certainly in terms of body count.

Anyway, Freeza is most certainly a dictator, and not just a mafia boss. He's a government of one over a vast empire.
Hitler had a greater impact in Western Europe....and that's about it. Stalin had a much higher body count, and Stalin's USSR had a greater impact on the overall world than Nazi Germany did.

Honestly though, I'd argue that out of the people mentioned earlier, Mao is the most influential in this day and age. Hitler and Stalin's respective countries have done their best to distance themselves from them, while Mao is still a driving force, despite being dead.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by coola » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:19 pm

For me, Freeza is more like Stalin, worst version of Hitler, paranoic mass murderer, who kill his own allies/people in fear of his own life, Hitler was suppose to start revolution against world, but dog decided to bite its owner, Vegeta is like Hitler, Freeza underling, who view himself as better than rest Saiyans, because he is Prince, and he often calls Gohan halfbreed, and Nappa is like Himmler, who ordered to kidnap Aryan looking children from conquered countries to mix them with Germans.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by rereboy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:00 pm

ABED wrote:Stalin is certainly up there in terms of impact on the world during the Cold War and certainly in terms of body count.
The western countries didn't actually go to war against him, so less focus from an historical perspective. Pretty normal.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:08 pm

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:Stalin is certainly up there in terms of impact on the world during the Cold War and certainly in terms of body count.
The western countries didn't actually go to war against him, so less focus from an historical perspective. Pretty normal.
But that threat loomed for decades via things like the arms race. Whether we went to war with him isn't relevant. We went to war with Japan, but I'm sure fewer kids will remember Hirihito than Stalin.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by rereboy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:34 pm

ABED wrote:But that threat loomed for decades via things like the arms race. Whether we went to war with him isn't relevant.
Obviously, whether or not a country actually went to war or not with another will play a huge role in the focus that the education system will give to that country in that time period. That's pretty much a given, and not irrelevant.

The cold war is also a big factor in the importance of Russia in the history books but it doesn't compare to how it would be if war had actually happened and that's the main difference between the two.
We went to war with Japan, but I'm sure fewer kids will remember Hirihito than Stalin.
Because, like everything, things aren't usually so simple that we can boil it all down to just one thing. But my point wasn't that it boils down to one thing, it was just pointing out the main difference.

In any case, to bring this back to the original point... This is all pretty normal for a time and resource limited education. Not much of a point in lamenting the state of education purely based on this.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Lord Frieza » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:42 pm

I would have said Zamasu was a better comparison to Hitler as both have committed mass genocide because of their bigotry while Frieza is more like a mob bosss.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:48 pm

Because, like everything, things aren't usually so simple that we can boil it all down to just one thing. But my point wasn't that it boils down to one thing, it was just pointing out the main difference.

In any case, to bring this back to the original point... This is all pretty normal for a time and resource limited education. Not much of a point in lamenting the state of education purely based on this.
It really is sad because there's no excuse even in a time limted education (seriously, teachers are so pressed for time that not one teacher can spend an appropriate amount of time on Stalin who was one of the most important figures in the whole 20th century?), that ANY student should go without knowing most of those people named and what they did and how those countries got to that point. And I wasn't lamenting the state of education PURELY based on that, that was your inference. That any student can go through school and not know who at least Stalin is is unforgivable given his impact on the world.
Obviously, whether or not a country actually went to war or not with another will play a huge role in the focus that the education system will give to that country in that time period. That's pretty much a given, and not irrelevant.

The cold war is also a big factor in the importance of Russia in the history books but it doesn't compare to how it would be if war had actually happened and that's the main difference between the two.
We went to war with Vietnam, and I can't tell you who was in charge of Vietnam back then. Let's not forget that Stalin was also once an ally of the Allied powers during WWII, so your point about the main difference falls flat. If you wish to continue this specific discussion, it's probably best that we take it to PM.

The big difference between Freeza and Hitler is that Hitler was a totalitarian, whereas Freeza is just Authoritarian.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Cipher » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:17 pm

I think people are overlooking the fact that Freeza attempted to enter the Fine Arts Academy in Vienna twice, but failed the entrance exam both times because he only painted planetscapes, never people.

So that's another subtle similarity right there.

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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by Kid Buu » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:20 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Both Freeza and Hitler are racist and genocidal.
So is Vegeta, but I don't see anyone compare him to Hitler.
Cipher wrote:It's because of Freeza's tiny mustache.
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Re: Why is Freeza often compared to Hitler?

Post by EXBadguy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:48 pm

Hitler: "ZE JEWS MUST DIE!"
Frieza: "ALL SAIYANS MUST DIE!"

Difference is that one didn't kill anybody by himself while the other did wipe out a whole race.
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