Upset with a lack of consistency and display of "feats" in DB Super

[Tsufuru]

Why do Toriyama and Toei never show someone's power with proper feats? SSB Vegetto vs Zamasu will show what I mean. The fight should be like Beerus vs Champa when they fought in the manga but not even a city is gonna be destroyed. I know there are different ways to show how powerful someone is but we are getting into universal and mulitversal levels now. How about they start doing crazy shit?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I feel the same way, but there just isn't a practical way to display power on a multiversal scale.

[Tsufuru]

I feel the same way, but there just isn't a practical way to display power on a multiversal scale.

that can wait till zeno but i mean atleast let them fight in space already. with the huge power jump they made i actualy believed they gonna do it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I feel the same way, but there just isn't a practical way to display power on a multiversal scale.

that can wait till zeno but i mean atleast let them fight in space already. with the huge power jump they made i actualy believed they gonna do it.

They'd suffocate and die. Well, Vegetto would.

[Tsufuru]

I feel the same way, but there just isn't a practical way to display power on a multiversal scale.

that can wait till zeno but i mean atleast let them fight in space already. with the huge power jump they made i actualy believed they gonna do it.

They'd suffocate and die. Well, Vegetto would.

how lobg can they survive in space?

[TheUltimateNinja]

that can wait till zeno but i mean atleast let them fight in space already. with the huge power jump they made i actualy believed they gonna do it.

They'd suffocate and die. Well, Vegetto would.

how lobg can they survive in space?

I reckon a few minutes.

[In Brightest Day]

Most of Akira Toriyama's writing is just him pulling stuff from his ass. Just throw Vegetto and Zamasu in space and give vague answers later. It's Dragonball Z, who cares about "accuracy"?

[nickzambuto]

Didn't Vegeta just destroy the entire ROSAT dimension during his training? I'm not caught up with Super but I heard that's what happened.

Then we've also got the Goku and Beerus universal shockwaves and Goku apparently outracing time or some ish against Hit.

Super seems to me like it's been very good on feats.

[RandomGuy96]

Because no comic book writer ever really thinks about the ramifications of the abilities they give their characters. Dragon Ball's characters are a particularly extreme example. If Toriyama wanted to be 'accurate', then the characters couldn't even use Earth as a battle ground. Every missed attack would end up mass scattering the planet as early as the Saiyan arc, and this is well before the ridiculous escalation in Super. Hence why the Daizenshuu had to come up with the "they can condense all the energy in their attacks to only affect a small area" excuse.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Didn't Vegeta just destroy the entire ROSAT dimension during his training? I'm not caught up with Super but I heard that's what happened.

Then we've also got the Goku and Beerus universal shockwaves and Goku apparently outracing time or some ish against Hit.

Super seems to me like it's been very good on feats.

No, we saw him destroy the entrance to it, along with a good part of the sanctuary. There's no information on what happened to the actual ROSAT dimension.

[Perfectionist-Cell]

I feel the same. Dragon ball lacks in the feat deparment and when they do have feats they aren't even comparable to actual universal busters or are not 100% legit.

[Bullza]

The series has never had consistency in that way. Back in the Saiyan Saga Vegeta powered up and he was creating cyclones from it and turning the skies dark but that pretty much never happens again.

I think it's kind of like Goku and Beeru's universal shockwaves, they show something new and over the top to display how high the level they're at but it'd be inconvenient to have to keep doing that each time. Maybe Goku learning that technique was supposed to explain why it doesn't happen again who knows.

Same again recently with Black he swung his scythe and the energy from it ripped a hole in reality or time or space just to show how strong he'd become but I bet we wont ever see anything like that again.

I don't think the show has a lack of feats though. There's been some impressive lifting feats for Goku which he didn't have much of in Z. The shockwaves obviously, Goku travelling through Hit's stopped time, Whis and Beerus' speed feats, Beerus nail tapping a planet in two and what was said of Zeno being able to destroy all of existence in the blink of an eye.

[Lord Beerus]

The series has never had consistency in that way. Back in the Saiyan Saga Vegeta powered up and he was creating cyclones from it and turning the skies dark but that pretty much never happens again.

Yeah, that's always bugged me. And that scene becomes even more contrived when Goku powering up into a SSJ3 produce almost the same situation. It's the pitfalls of Toriyama's improvisational writing style, coupled with the awful power creep that had a stranglehold on the plot from the Freeza arc and beyond. Even though you know that a character with a battle power in the tens of thousands would wipe out the Earth by just powering up, you ultimately don't see that much in terms of display from a character that thousands, if not, millions of times stronger because there would simply be no Earth left, period. The best you're gonna get is lip service in terms of strength from that point on.

[saunasolmu]

It'd become awfully repetitive if the universe was nearly destroyed every time they fought.

[theherodjl]

It's simply artistically gratuitous to portray the destruction of celestial bodies on an every time basis so Toriyama & Toei opt to keep the fights down to minimum level, prior feats be damned.
The same logic is applied to comics even during an arc where there's some cosmic-powered dude who has the power to destroy "X" amount of universes using only a fraction of his power.
I mean look at this.


"That last shot could've slagged several billion entire dimensions."

In other words Molecule Man had enough power to destroy billions of universes with a single shot but he didn't even bust the house they were all in, obviously reality would be destroyed and there'd be no setting left so such limitations are required for the story to continue.

[Polyphase Avatron]

To be fair though, Secret Wars II was full of ridiculously silly feats in every single issue.

[Kamiccolo9]

To be fair though, Secret Wars II was full of ridiculously silly featsin every single issue.

Fixed. Dear God, SWII is awful.

[Cipher]

I feel like some fans will only be happy if characters are constantly kicking the shit out of the sun?

Anyway, I do miss minor atmospheric touches -- Earth shaking, sky changing, shots firing off into space, etc. The visual capacity to display greater and greater power really peaked in the Namek arc, but there were nice touches that still provided some sense of power, and the escalation is undeniably part of the fun. The current fight against Zamasu is doing enough for me; we're seeing a bit more of the impact on the planet, and getting new, weird powers like Zamasu's angel construct that can zap Goku and Vegeta out of Super Saiyan Blue while he's hardly paying attention. In fact, after the Namek arc, I always felt those kind of "weird" ki-based powers were a good way to visually indicate the characters were in new realms of power -- things like ki blades, the Super Ghost Kamikaze, the anime-only Dragon Fist, etc. Nice to see that concept make a return, even if its role in offering a sense of escalation is somewhat accidental.

[SaiyanGod117]

We already know these characters can easily destroy multiple galaxy or a universe, I don't see the reason to keep showing it every fight and besides wasn't the concept behind God Ki learning to have perfect Ki control. Didn't the Old Kai say at one point that Earth wouldn't be able to handle Kid Buu and Goku's battle, but now we have characters a million times stronger than that duking it out and the Earth is still there. I think that's puts a pretty good emphasis on how much control they over their Ki, although I still agree we should a little more consistent displays of power like how we saw in the Goku vs Beerus fight. But I think the reason we haven't is because the animators don't have enough time to implement them in because of the schedule, and from what I remember of DBZ, Toei gave the Z cast the best feats like huge explosions, collateral damage, MFTL fighting speed.

[dbs fanboy]

If this show was done in this way (realistically), the Earth, would be destroyed every single time someon powered up (even a bit).
Hell, Beerus destroyed a planet by sneezing and the Earth is still intact.