How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
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How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Also known as Instant Transmission.
It seems to be one of the thing thing that gives Goku the slight edge over everybody.
It seems to be one of the thing thing that gives Goku the slight edge over everybody.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
You can be stronger physically. You can have faster reaction time post-teleportation. You can have better durability. You can learn to teleport, yourself!
The best example is probably Cell, and we are shown directly in the series itself: he was nearly blown to bits after a teleportation-based attack, but his ability to regenerate took care of that little issue.
The best example is probably Cell, and we are shown directly in the series itself: he was nearly blown to bits after a teleportation-based attack, but his ability to regenerate took care of that little issue.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
The same way Super 17 does it. By having skill.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Vegeta could use those energy rings that he used to bind Goku to a mountain during their SSJ2 fight to restrict Kakarot's index and middle finger, preventing him from using the technique. With great effort Goku was able to break those energy rings, but that was when they were wrapped around his arms and legs. I doubt his mere fingers would be able to do it.
Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Goku does not necessarily need his fingers for teleportation. He teleported away from 2nd Form Cell without using them. It is either a thing of focussing better or just part of showing that this is used.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta could use those energy rings that he used to bind Goku to a mountain during their SSJ2 fight to restrict Kakarot's index and middle finger, preventing him from using the technique. With great effort Goku was able to break those energy rings, but that was when they were wrapped around his arms and legs. I doubt his mere fingers would be able to do it.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Kaioshin level mind-reading. You'll know where he intends to appear with IT
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Interesting.Cetra wrote:Goku does not necessarily need his fingers for teleportation. He teleported away from 2nd Form Cell without using them. It is either a thing of focussing better or just part of showing that this is used.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta could use those energy rings that he used to bind Goku to a mountain during their SSJ2 fight to restrict Kakarot's index and middle finger, preventing him from using the technique. With great effort Goku was able to break those energy rings, but that was when they were wrapped around his arms and legs. I doubt his mere fingers would be able to do it.
OK, alternate counter tactic: An opponent can master their own ki control to a similar extent to Goku himself on Namek, when he fought the Ginyu Force and was only powering up in the exact moment that he striked, then powered back down so quickly that nobody was even able to notice his ki changing. By doing this, if the opponent lowered their ki down to zero whenever they weren't striking or fighting, Goku would not be able to lock onto them and could not use IT.
Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Good theory, would be good to see someone doing itnickzambuto wrote:Interesting.Cetra wrote:Goku does not necessarily need his fingers for teleportation. He teleported away from 2nd Form Cell without using them. It is either a thing of focussing better or just part of showing that this is used.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta could use those energy rings that he used to bind Goku to a mountain during their SSJ2 fight to restrict Kakarot's index and middle finger, preventing him from using the technique. With great effort Goku was able to break those energy rings, but that was when they were wrapped around his arms and legs. I doubt his mere fingers would be able to do it.
OK, alternate counter tactic: An opponent can master their own ki control to a similar extent to Goku himself on Namek, when he fought the Ginyu Force and was only powering up in the exact moment that he striked, then powered back down so quickly that nobody was even able to notice his ki changing. By doing this, if the opponent lowered their ki down to zero whenever they weren't striking or fighting, Goku would not be able to lock onto them and could not use IT.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
It's weird that everyone has high level physic powers but no one uses or mentions them.Angelus wrote:Kaioshin level mind-reading. You'll know where he intends to appear with IT
Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Actually I would be really surprised if Goku needs to feel the Ki of a guy that he can straight see.nickzambuto wrote:Interesting.Cetra wrote:Goku does not necessarily need his fingers for teleportation. He teleported away from 2nd Form Cell without using them. It is either a thing of focussing better or just part of showing that this is used.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta could use those energy rings that he used to bind Goku to a mountain during their SSJ2 fight to restrict Kakarot's index and middle finger, preventing him from using the technique. With great effort Goku was able to break those energy rings, but that was when they were wrapped around his arms and legs. I doubt his mere fingers would be able to do it.
OK, alternate counter tactic: An opponent can master their own ki control to a similar extent to Goku himself on Namek, when he fought the Ginyu Force and was only powering up in the exact moment that he striked, then powered back down so quickly that nobody was even able to notice his ki changing. By doing this, if the opponent lowered their ki down to zero whenever they weren't striking or fighting, Goku would not be able to lock onto them and could not use IT.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
I don't know about that, that would imply he could teleport freelyCetra wrote:Actually I would be really surprised if Goku needs to feel the Ki of a guy that he can straight see.nickzambuto wrote:Interesting.Cetra wrote:
Goku does not necessarily need his fingers for teleportation. He teleported away from 2nd Form Cell without using them. It is either a thing of focussing better or just part of showing that this is used.
OK, alternate counter tactic: An opponent can master their own ki control to a similar extent to Goku himself on Namek, when he fought the Ginyu Force and was only powering up in the exact moment that he striked, then powered back down so quickly that nobody was even able to notice his ki changing. By doing this, if the opponent lowered their ki down to zero whenever they weren't striking or fighting, Goku would not be able to lock onto them and could not use IT.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Yes? That is the point. If he sees a person he already knows where that person is. So there is no necessity in feeling their presence. It is understandable that he needs to lock onto an energy when he does not see the person to get to a place but if that person is like 100 metres away it would be pretty idiotic if he needs to feel where a person is even though he already knows it.Captain Strawberry wrote:I don't know about that, that would imply he could teleport freelyCetra wrote:Actually I would be really surprised if Goku needs to feel the Ki of a guy that he can straight see.nickzambuto wrote: Interesting.
OK, alternate counter tactic: An opponent can master their own ki control to a similar extent to Goku himself on Namek, when he fought the Ginyu Force and was only powering up in the exact moment that he striked, then powered back down so quickly that nobody was even able to notice his ki changing. By doing this, if the opponent lowered their ki down to zero whenever they weren't striking or fighting, Goku would not be able to lock onto them and could not use IT.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
I always figured the technique worked by teleporting him to the ki signature, if Goku could just teleport anywhere he wants, it would be a pretty big coincidence that he's only ever teleported to another character's location.Cetra wrote:Yes? That is the point. If he sees a person he already knows where that person is. So there is no necessity in feeling their presence. It is understandable that he needs to lock onto an energy when he does not see the person to get to a place but if that person is like 100 metres away it would be pretty idiotic if he needs to feel where a person is even though he already knows it.Captain Strawberry wrote:I don't know about that, that would imply he could teleport freelyCetra wrote:
Actually I would be really surprised if Goku needs to feel the Ki of a guy that he can straight see.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
He's only ever shown the need to lock on to a ki signature when teleporting over long distances, at short range he teleports wherever he wants, and you might suggest that he's already got a lock on his opponent's ki signature and is therefore able to rapidly teleport around relative to their location, but in that case he could simply use his own ki signature to teleport.nickzambuto wrote:I always figured the technique worked by teleporting him to the ki signature, if Goku could just teleport anywhere he wants, it would be a pretty big coincidence that he's only ever teleported to another character's location.Cetra wrote:Yes? That is the point. If he sees a person he already knows where that person is. So there is no necessity in feeling their presence. It is understandable that he needs to lock onto an energy when he does not see the person to get to a place but if that person is like 100 metres away it would be pretty idiotic if he needs to feel where a person is even though he already knows it.Captain Strawberry wrote:
I don't know about that, that would imply he could teleport freely
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Can a fighter sense their own ki? That seems a bit weird.TheUltimateNinja wrote:He's only ever shown the need to lock on to a ki signature when teleporting over long distances, at short range he teleports wherever he wants, and you might suggest that he's already got a lock on his opponent's ki signature and is therefore able to rapidly teleport around relative to their location, but in that case he could simply use his own ki signature to teleport.nickzambuto wrote:I always figured the technique worked by teleporting him to the ki signature, if Goku could just teleport anywhere he wants, it would be a pretty big coincidence that he's only ever teleported to another character's location.Cetra wrote:
Yes? That is the point. If he sees a person he already knows where that person is. So there is no necessity in feeling their presence. It is understandable that he needs to lock onto an energy when he does not see the person to get to a place but if that person is like 100 metres away it would be pretty idiotic if he needs to feel where a person is even though he already knows it.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
I don't see why not, and Goku seems to be well aware of the state of his ki at any given time, whether it's going up or down etc., so it seems quite clear that he can sense it.nickzambuto wrote:Can a fighter sense their own ki? That seems a bit weird.TheUltimateNinja wrote:He's only ever shown the need to lock on to a ki signature when teleporting over long distances, at short range he teleports wherever he wants, and you might suggest that he's already got a lock on his opponent's ki signature and is therefore able to rapidly teleport around relative to their location, but in that case he could simply use his own ki signature to teleport.nickzambuto wrote: I always figured the technique worked by teleporting him to the ki signature, if Goku could just teleport anywhere he wants, it would be a pretty big coincidence that he's only ever teleported to another character's location.
Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
What is the problem with locking onto a target that you cannot see and not needing to lock on in case you can actually see the person?nickzambuto wrote:I always figured the technique worked by teleporting him to the ki signature, if Goku could just teleport anywhere he wants, it would be a pretty big coincidence that he's only ever teleported to another character's location.Cetra wrote:Yes? That is the point. If he sees a person he already knows where that person is. So there is no necessity in feeling their presence. It is understandable that he needs to lock onto an energy when he does not see the person to get to a place but if that person is like 100 metres away it would be pretty idiotic if he needs to feel where a person is even though he already knows it.Captain Strawberry wrote:
I don't know about that, that would imply he could teleport freely
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
I would leap to a second later and find out where he was. There's nothing better than being unnoticeable to someone who only appears to be unnoticeable.
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Get up in the teleporter's face, pummel them with melee attacks. They won't be able to concentrate enough to use it, and if they do they'll only be able to run away.
Be faster than them. If they try to teleport behind you, it won't matter if you're already somewhere else once they actually think and activate the teleportation.
Be tougher than them. Teleporting around won't save them if they can't do anything to hurt you.
Have incredible senses. You can sense exactly where they teleported to as soon as they appear so you're ready for them.
Have an ability that blocks/distorts ki sensing (like what Goku Black did). They can't teleport if they can't lock onto a ki signature.
Use a power that simply prevents teleportation, or a power that can bind a target's life force to a specific place (so if they leave it they die).
Use a huge attack that blasts the entire area. If they're teleporting anywhere nearby, they'll still be hit.
Read the user's mind. You'll know where they're going to teleport before they do.
Be able to see the future - same as above.
Lots of ways, really
Be faster than them. If they try to teleport behind you, it won't matter if you're already somewhere else once they actually think and activate the teleportation.
Be tougher than them. Teleporting around won't save them if they can't do anything to hurt you.
Have incredible senses. You can sense exactly where they teleported to as soon as they appear so you're ready for them.
Have an ability that blocks/distorts ki sensing (like what Goku Black did). They can't teleport if they can't lock onto a ki signature.
Use a power that simply prevents teleportation, or a power that can bind a target's life force to a specific place (so if they leave it they die).
Use a huge attack that blasts the entire area. If they're teleporting anywhere nearby, they'll still be hit.
Read the user's mind. You'll know where they're going to teleport before they do.
Be able to see the future - same as above.
Lots of ways, really
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Re: How do you counter Instantaneous movement?
Have a technique that slows down or freezes time.
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