Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

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Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:28 am

I understand Future Trunks has had a hard life but man, was it necessary to bring him back only to lose literally everything?

Friends and Dad killed by androids
Gohan his mentor loses an arm and dies protecting him
Future in ruins
Barely defeated Babidi and everyone who helped him dies
Black comes and kills more people
Bulma dies
Goes to get help and gets finishing blow on enemy from his spirit sword that people contributed
Their contributions ultimately mean nothing since Zamasu takes over the universe and Zeno kills everyone except him and mai.

I mean it does set up the at least a plausible scenario for a Time Patrol Trunks who has no timeline to go back to but man his life if horrible when compared to Goku, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta... Even yamcha isn't this badly damaged as a person.

So my question is why so much suffering for one person vs the rest of the cast. It's not like it's even different timeline versions it's the same one with all the same experiences. Especially when the character itself is meant to symbolize that there's always hope.

Also it makes this complete sh*t

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Re: Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:32 am

Future Trunks' story began with tragedy and ended ultimately in tragedy. Any hope or peace that Future Trunks has in his world doesn't last for long, and in the end, he loses everything has to start a new life in a completely new timeline.

Shaggy Dog Story incarnate.
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Re: Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:41 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Future Trunks' story began with tragedy and ended ultimately in tragedy. Any hope or peace that Future Trunks has in world had doesn't last for long, and in the end, he loses everything has to start a new life in a completely new timeline.

Shaggy Dog Story incarnate.
My problem is that Trunks has gone from a character who personified hope to a character who personifies hopelessness. Through all his best efforts his destiny in the universe is to ultimately fail and end in tragedy. The issue is for the past few decades we all felt his character represented that hope and the ability to overcome yet we find now that he's nothing more that a victim of circumstance and that his hope was ultimately foolish as the universe was out to get him on a personal level no matter what he did.

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Re: Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by dbs fanboy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:05 am

TheMikado wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Future Trunks' story began with tragedy and ended ultimately in tragedy. Any hope or peace that Future Trunks has in world had doesn't last for long, and in the end, he loses everything has to start a new life in a completely new timeline.

Shaggy Dog Story incarnate.
My problem is that Trunks has gone from a character who personified hope to a character who personifies hopelessness. Through all his best efforts his destiny in the universe is to ultimately fail and end in tragedy. The issue is for the past few decades we all felt his character represented that hope and the ability to overcome yet we find now that he's nothing more that a victim of circumstance and that his hope was ultimately foolish as the universe was out to get him on a personal level no matter what he did.
Oh now i get it, please ignore my other post.

Now back on topic, i think that a lot of us ccan agree that Trunks shall never return again, and if he does, it shall not be related to his life or future.
He has gotten so much rage boosts from plot armours that he stole the "final blow" from Goku, and he still failed. Just leave Trunks alone dragon ball.
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Re: Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:25 am

dbs fanboy wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Future Trunks' story began with tragedy and ended ultimately in tragedy. Any hope or peace that Future Trunks has in world had doesn't last for long, and in the end, he loses everything has to start a new life in a completely new timeline.

Shaggy Dog Story incarnate.
My problem is that Trunks has gone from a character who personified hope to a character who personifies hopelessness. Through all his best efforts his destiny in the universe is to ultimately fail and end in tragedy. The issue is for the past few decades we all felt his character represented that hope and the ability to overcome yet we find now that he's nothing more that a victim of circumstance and that his hope was ultimately foolish as the universe was out to get him on a personal level no matter what he did.
Oh now i get it, please ignore my other post.

Now back on topic, i think that a lot of us ccan agree that Trunks shall never return again, and if he does, it shall not be related to his life or future.
He has gotten so much rage boosts from plot armours that he stole the "final blow" from Goku, and he still failed. Just leave Trunks alone dragon ball.
Him not returning again would be the greatest waste of the character at this point. He has nothing left. We can't assume he's in the process of rebuilding his life now because he's left with nothing except Mai. If you're literal going to steal nearly everything he has in life then at least let the sacrifice be for a higher calling such as joint the Time Patrol. If that happened I would say it would redeem his character a bit and give him direction and purpose and a greater destiny than just being the universes punching bag.

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Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:42 am

He definitely is.

I hope that in the new timeline he can find some much-deserved happiness.
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Post by dbs fanboy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:44 am

TheMikado wrote:
dbs fanboy wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
My problem is that Trunks has gone from a character who personified hope to a character who personifies hopelessness. Through all his best efforts his destiny in the universe is to ultimately fail and end in tragedy. The issue is for the past few decades we all felt his character represented that hope and the ability to overcome yet we find now that he's nothing more that a victim of circumstance and that his hope was ultimately foolish as the universe was out to get him on a personal level no matter what he did.
Oh now i get it, please ignore my other post.

Now back on topic, i think that a lot of us ccan agree that Trunks shall never return again, and if he does, it shall not be related to his life or future.
He has gotten so much rage boosts from plot armours that he stole the "final blow" from Goku, and he still failed. Just leave Trunks alone dragon ball.
Him not returning again would be the greatest waste of the character at this point. He has nothing left. We can't assume he's in the process of rebuilding his life now because he's left with nothing except Mai. If you're literal going to steal nearly everything he has in life then at least let the sacrifice be for a higher calling such as joint the Time Patrol. If that happened I would say it would redeem his character a bit and give him direction and purpose and a greater destiny than just being the universes punching bag.
Yeah, that's true, i just want to stop seeing Trunks suffering, the man deserves happines more than anyone else.
I really miss ma boy, Black :( :cry:


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Re: Future Trunks is the most tragic character in the entire franchise

Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:52 am

Future Trunks is a way to have death mean something in a series where it doesn't mean anything.

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Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:29 pm

Doctor. wrote:Future Trunks is a way to have death mean something in a series where it doesn't mean anything.
Except they didn't need Future Trunks specifically in order to do that. Why not bring a Future Goten/Gohan/Pan from the CURRENT future timeline? Bulma still has the time machine. It was unnecessary for it to be specifically him.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:31 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Future Trunks is a way to have death mean something in a series where it doesn't mean anything.
Except they didn't need Future Trunks specifically in order to do that. Why not bring a Future Goten/Gohan/Pan from the CURRENT future timeline? Bulma still has the time machine. It was unnecessary for it to be specifically him.
People would just think that's a rehash of the Cell arc and Future Trunks is an established fan-favorite character.

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Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:36 pm

Doctor. wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Future Trunks is a way to have death mean something in a series where it doesn't mean anything.
Except they didn't need Future Trunks specifically in order to do that. Why not bring a Future Goten/Gohan/Pan from the CURRENT future timeline? Bulma still has the time machine. It was unnecessary for it to be specifically him.
People would just think that's a rehash of the Cell arc and Future Trunks is an established fan-favorite character.
The time travel to the past for help is already a rehash, like you said he was specifically brought back because hes a fan favorite not because it adds or enhances his story at least at this point. Like I said F Trunks only chance for redemption is if they can make his lost mean something by making him part of the time partrol or something.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:37 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
Except they didn't need Future Trunks specifically in order to do that. Why not bring a Future Goten/Gohan/Pan from the CURRENT future timeline? Bulma still has the time machine. It was unnecessary for it to be specifically him.
People would just think that's a rehash of the Cell arc and Future Trunks is an established fan-favorite character.
The time travel to the past for help is already a rehash, like you said he was specifically brought back because hes a fan favorite not because it adds or enhances his story at least at this point. Like I said F Trunks only chance for redemption is if they can make his lost mean something by making him part of the time partrol or something.
What redemption? There's no need for a happy ending. Some stories don't end the way you want them to, shit happens.

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Post by TheMikado » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:49 pm

Doctor. wrote:
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Doctor. wrote: People would just think that's a rehash of the Cell arc and Future Trunks is an established fan-favorite character.
The time travel to the past for help is already a rehash, like you said he was specifically brought back because hes a fan favorite not because it adds or enhances his story at least at this point. Like I said F Trunks only chance for redemption is if they can make his lost mean something by making him part of the time partrol or something.
What redemption? There's no need for a happy ending. Some stories don't end the way you want them to, shit happens.
Future Trunks was a literary device which represents hope in the same way Luke Skywalker does. Imagine how many fans would be ticked if Luke came back in the new Star Wars movie and not only did he fail but the entire universe is destroyed to the point where there literally is no hope. You can't have a character with the running theme of hope and expect people not to be ticked when they find he was a tragic character all along.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:50 pm

TheMikado wrote:Future Trunks was a literary device which represents hope in the same way Luke Skywalker does. Imagine how many fans would be ticked if Luke came back in the new Star Wars movie and not only did he fail but the entire universe is destroyed to the point where there literally is no hope. You can't have a character with the running theme of hope and expect people not to be ticked when they find he was a tragic character all along.
Yes, he represents hope, doesn't mean that that hope will actually lead anywhere. It was a subversion.

I personally wouldn't care as I haven't watched Star Wars, but if I did, I'd probably like such an event.

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Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:41 pm

He's one of the most tragic in all of Shonen.
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Post by Lord Frieza » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:46 pm

After episode 67.....

[spoiler]...You cant't get much more tragic then the ending he got. Everyone you love is dead with on way to bring them back, despite your best effort you could not beat the bad guy and your whole universe is destroyed and your just going to have to go to an alternate time line and just make the best of it.

Trunks is know officially one of the most screwed over guy ever, the only thing that could make this worse is that a new bad guy turns up and ruins his new timeline as well.[/spoiler]

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Post by dragon boss z » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:57 pm

Ya I don't like how things turned out.

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Post by precita » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:06 am

In a way he's the only Dragonball character to experience true permanent loss.

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Post by buutenks » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:37 am

A slight correction, Zeno did not kill the people of earth. Zamasu did that. Earth was devoid of life when he nuked the multiverse.


Tho from what Black said, seems to me, apart from earth, the multiverse was devoid of life, since Black and Zamasu killed all mortals before coming to earth. Where they started 'torturing' the humans for commiting the greatest sin, time travel.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:32 pm

precita wrote:In a way he's the only Dragonball character to experience true permanent loss.
Something that, in my opinion, was way overdue for this franchise, especially in regards to the central protagonists. It's about time that character has to forever live the consequences of an arc as supposed to using the Dragon Balls and essentially resetting everything back to normal.

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