Who killed more people during the destruction of the future timeline: Zamasu or Zen'o?

[Animelover5487]

Zamasu became one with the multiverse and started overwriting all it's laws, Goku and the others then attacked him in which he responded by wildly firing blasts at everything we know during this assault everyone on Earth died but it wasn't confirmed if anyone else on any other planet or universe died from this. However, if they didn't die from this they definitely died when Future Zen'o destroyed everything in the multiverse, including the Afterlife so who would you say killed more Zamasu or Zen'o?

[Hugo Boss]

By the point Black appeared on Earth, he had killed practically every human in other worlds. I think there wasn't anyone left to kill besides Zamasu himself when the Omni King destroyed the omniverse.

[GodVegetto91]

Omni-King. Black only killed live on several planets in U7. And all the gods which is a number less than 40.
Zeno on the other hand just took out an entire multiverse! Which obviously includes all of their "otherworlds" And we all know how full heaven and hell are there. In otherworld resides the entire history of beings that came before and the billions of years the multiverse exists. Countless people have died in a timespan of billions of years. (So heaven and hell should be pretty full by now) and Omni-King wiped it all out. The entire timeline.

[Lionel]

Zamasu believed the deaths of Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks were the culmination of the Zero Mortal Plan. Three individual, albeit powerful mortals alone shouldn't personify such a momentous occasion. He may have been speaking in terms of their deaths being a situational triumph over the greatest opposition he's seemingly come across; by actualising the deaths of these vile ningen who flaunt the essence of gods, the total defences created by said ningen will crumble as not even its greatest warriors could hold the line against the indomitable will of an all-powerful god. The victory is symbolical rather than being literal and substantive. Systematically killing untold numbers of populations as you're vying to safeguard each individual habitated planet's ecosystem constitutes for a long and diligent procedure. Because of this time-consuming need for discretion, progress would have been slowed to a moderate pace. An exact number of species' extinctions isn't known -- our only information concerning how many was a reference from Trunks when Black first appeared, "he has already destroyed a number of planets and its people."

Destroying whole planets for no explainable reason is a kettle of fish in its own right. I thought the objective of Zamasu, and by extension, Black, was to annihilate the corrupt pollutive ningen so natural life could return to its original unaltered state; a wholesale destruction of planets in tandem with their populations is counterfactual to their proclamations. There wouldn't be a need for posturing or intimidation because in Black's mind, Trunks is already a man set to die. My only explanation to rationalise this disparity in logic is that Black, at points throughout the eradication process, needed to uproot some entrenched ningen who may have been concealed or residing in the wilderness of these planets. Rather than limit the damage to surrounding environments by employing strictly low-grade munitions, he settles with haphazardly destroying everything for greater effectiveness. It's unlikely for him to mend the broken pieces by using his Kaio-based creation abilities so those worlds are irrevocably gone. I suppose convenience is more important than integrity -- at least until he turned his sights on Earth and began sluggishly tormenting the populace in anticipation of opponents who could inadvertently strengthen his body.

Back to the original question -- context is important for interpreting what it is Black meant. How Black's statement was phrased, it seemed like he was referring to a proximate amount, not a general indeterminate quantity. "Several" can refer to more than two, but less than a huge sum. Black spent much of his time searching for a universe without an acting God of Destruction. Following this discovery in Universe 7, he proceeds to kill Gowasu and align with Future Zamasu in that timeline. We can assume they gathered the Super Dragon Balls for Zamasu's wish of immortality afterwards. Some time elapses and Black arrives on Earth -- things eventually escalate to where Zamasu's essence has personified the atmosphere itself. He destroys what fragments of population still remained. Pan out to Zamasu physically enclosing Earth with his gaseous form and we can see what appears to be rotational emissions of his essence shaped like disembodied faces scattering out into Space. They didn't appear to be moving at too quick of a pace, but then this is from an outsider's viewpoint. I question if the emissions could have enveloped all too much of the universe in the short window of time he had.

Look at it like this -- Jupiter has an elliptical orbit, meaning its relative distance from Earth is ever fluctuating. Using November 4th of this year as a measuring point, as the month and day happen to coincide with Bulma and Popo traveling to Jupiter on the Child of Kataz's old ship, the relative distance between Jupiter and Earth would have been 940.67 million kilometres. Since this is the anime we're talking about, I took into account the amount of time needed for CoK's ship to reach Jupiter, which looked to be 5 seconds. A normal human constructed engine would have required an estimated 4339 years and 3 months to reach Namek, according to Bulma. The Namekian ship made it in 34 days, which is the percentage equivalent of 0.002% Bulma's calculations. Now those faces didn't appear to be all that rapid in their pace. It seems far-fetched to assume they could have reached all of the way to Namek in the short time they had before destruction, let alone other universes.

My final opinion is Zamasu's influence was concentrated mostly in the Milky Way before Zeno obliterated him. Zeno's body count would be much, much greater as it involved everything being destroyed, not just an unspecified number of planets.

[Gig]

I'm not really sure about what many may that Zeno destroyed also the "other world/after life/gods world", other than the "mortals' world". It has not been stated. Hey, we are not even sure he destroyed all the other 11 universes... and what about his own palace? Who knows!

[Will]

Omni-King. Black only killed live on several planets in U7. And all the gods which is a number less than 40.
Zeno on the other hand just took out an entire multiverse! Which obviously includes all of their "otherworlds" And we all know how full heaven and hell are there. In otherworld resides the entire history of beings that came before and the billions of years the multiverse exists. Countless people have died in a timespan of billions of years. (So heaven and hell should be pretty full by now) and Omni-King wiped it all out. The entire timeline.

Black said he destroyed the humans of several planet before Earth, he never said these planet were from the U7 only.

[Fionordequester]

I'm gonna translate Lionel's speech for you all, alright?

Zamasu believed the deaths of Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks were the culmination of the Zero Mortal Plan. Three individual, albeit powerful mortals alone shouldn't personify such a momentous occasion. He may have been speaking in terms of their deaths being a situational triumph over the greatest opposition he's seemingly come across; by actualising the deaths of these vile ningen who flaunt the essence of gods, the total defences created by said ningen will crumble as not even its greatest warriors could hold the line against the indomitable will of an all-powerful god. The victory is symbolical rather than being literal and substantive. Systematically killing untold numbers of populations as you're vying to safeguard each individual habitated planet's ecosystem constitutes for a long and diligent procedure. Because of this time-consuming need for discretion, progress would have been slowed to a moderate pace. An exact number of species' extinctions isn't known -- our only information concerning how many was a reference from Trunks when Black first appeared, "he has already destroyed a number of planets and its people."

Zamasu believed Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks was the most significant thing to come of the Zero Mortal Plan; this is illogical. Maybe Zamasu thought this way because those three were his greatest opponents? Their death, then, would symbolize the death of all those evil mortals who abuse the godlike qualities they've been given. I mean, who else would be able to stop an all-powerful god, except those three?

Plus, it's really hard to kill all mortals without accidentally destroying their worlds, so progress is already slow enough as it is. We don't know how hard he tried to spare other species' besides humans, because all Trunks told us was that Black "already destroyed a number of planets and their people".

Destroying whole planets for no explainable reason is a kettle of fish in its own right. I thought the objective of Zamasu, and by extension, Black, was to annihilate the corrupt pollutive ningen so natural life could return to its original unaltered state; a wholesale destruction of planets in tandem with their populations is counterfactual to their proclamations. There wouldn't be a need for posturing or intimidation because in Black's mind, Trunks is already a man set to die. My only explanation to rationalise this disparity in logic is that Black, at points throughout the eradication process, needed to uproot some entrenched ningen who may have been concealed or residing in the wilderness of these planets. Rather than limit the damage to surrounding environments by employing strictly low-grade munitions, he settles with haphazardly destroying everything for greater effectiveness. It's unlikely for him to mend the broken pieces by using his Kaio-based creation abilities so those worlds are irrevocably gone. I suppose convenience is more important than integrity -- at least until he turned his sights on Earth and began sluggishly tormenting the populace in anticipation of opponents who could inadvertently strengthen his body.

Destroying whole planets for no explainable reason is dumb. I thought Zamasu and Black were just trying to kill the mortals, so that the environments could be restored to their former glory; can't really do that if you're bombing the hell out of them! Black's "sadistic bully" sthick is pointless if Trunks is dying anyway.

The only way I can think of Zamasu justifying this is if some mortals were just too deeply entrenched for him to avoid causing some collateral damage. So instead of painstakingly pulling out each weed one-by-one, he settled for just torching the whole fricken garden; because that was faster. It's unlikely he'd be able to undo the damage either; so those worlds are just permanently gone. Seems he chose "convenience" over "integrity"; except when it came to Earth. Then he was MORE than happy to take his time! That way he could get opponents who'd accidentally make him stronger!

Back to the original question -- context is important for interpreting what it is Black meant. How Black's statement was phrased, it seemed like he was referring to a proximate amount, not a general indeterminate quantity. "Several" can refer to more than two, but less than a huge sum. Black spent much of his time searching for a universe without an acting God of Destruction. Following this discovery in Universe 7, he proceeds to kill Gowasu and align with Future Zamasu in that timeline. We can assume they gathered the Super Dragon Balls for Zamasu's wish of immortality afterwards. Some time elapses and Black arrives on Earth -- things eventually escalate to where Zamasu's essence has personified the atmosphere itself. He destroys what fragments of population still remained. Pan out to Zamasu physically enclosing Earth with his gaseous form and we can see what appears to be rotational emissions of his essence shaped like disembodied faces scattering out into Space. They didn't appear to be moving at too quick of a pace, but then this is from an outsider's viewpoint. I question if the emissions could have enveloped all too much of the universe in the short window of time he had.

Back to the original question -- context is important for understanding what Black meant. I'd guess he was speaking more metaphorically than literally when he said he "destroyed" worlds. "Several" can refer to any amount that's more than two, but not by enough to be considered "a lot". Black spent much of his time looking for a universe without an active God of Destruction [I'm not sure how this last sentence connects with either the previous one or the next one; maybe you could clarify that for us Lionel?]

So he finds Universe 7, kills Gowasu, and recruits Future Zamasu in that timeline. They gather the Super Dragon Balls for Zamasu's wish, time passes, Black comes to Earth, and then things escalate to where Zamasu's become one with the atmosphere itself and destroys all remaining survivors. Zamasu covers the Earth with his gaseous form, as well as a ton of disembodied faces spiraling out into Space.

They don't SEEM to be moving that fast, though. That COULD have been animated that way just for the audience's benefit...but let's just assume that Zamasu really WAS moving as slowly as he seemed. If that's the case, I don't see how he'd corrupt so much of the universe in such a short amount of time.

Look at it like this -- Jupiter has an elliptical orbit, meaning its relative distance from Earth is ever fluctuating. Using November 4th of this year as a measuring point, as the month and day happen to coincide with Bulma and Popo traveling to Jupiter on the Child of Kataz's old ship, the relative distance between Jupiter and Earth would have been 940.67 million kilometres. Since this is the anime we're talking about, I took into account the amount of time needed for CoK's ship to reach Jupiter, which looked to be 5 seconds. A normal human constructed engine would have required an estimated 4339 years and 3 months to reach Namek, according to Bulma. The Namekian ship made it in 34 days, which is the percentage equivalent of 0.002% Bulma's calculations. Now those faces didn't appear to be all that rapid in their pace. It seems far-fetched to assume they could have reached all of the way to Namek in the short time they had before destruction, let alone other universes.

This is fine; it's hard to describe calculations like this without going all techno-babbly

My final opinion is Zamasu's influence was concentrated mostly in the Milky Way before Zeno obliterated him. Zeno's body count would be much, much greater as it involved everything being destroyed, not just an unspecified number of planets.

In conclusion, I'd say Zamasu only REALLY affected the Milky Way by the time Zeno oblitereated him; which means Zeno's body count is far higher.

Is that better, guys?

[GodVegetto91]

Omni-King. Black only killed live on several planets in U7. And all the gods which is a number less than 40.
Zeno on the other hand just took out an entire multiverse! Which obviously includes all of their "otherworlds" And we all know how full heaven and hell are there. In otherworld resides the entire history of beings that came before and the billions of years the multiverse exists. Countless people have died in a timespan of billions of years. (So heaven and hell should be pretty full by now) and Omni-King wiped it all out. The entire timeline.

Black said he destroyed the humans of several planet before Earth, he never said these planet were from the U7 only.

Still doesn't make a bit of difference.

[ShadowBardock89]

I'm not really sure about what many may that Zeno destroyed also the "other world/after life/gods world", other than the "mortals' world". It has not been stated. Hey, we are not even sure he destroyed all the other 11 universes... and what about his own palace? Who knows!

Exactly. The Omni-King wiped out EVERYTHING!!! Not just Universe 7 of Trunks' timeline, but the other universes, too! That includes their respective afterlife as well.

[gofishus]

Omni-King. Black only killed live on several planets in U7. And all the gods which is a number less than 40.
Zeno on the other hand just took out an entire multiverse! Which obviously includes all of their "otherworlds" And we all know how full heaven and hell are there. In otherworld resides the entire history of beings that came before and the billions of years the multiverse exists. Countless people have died in a timespan of billions of years. (So heaven and hell should be pretty full by now) and Omni-King wiped it all out. The entire timeline.

I'm still not convinced that Zeno wiped out the timeline, the existence of the time ring for that timeline and the fact that Trunks can go back to it refute this assumption