Kaioken clarification

[Aremke]

I'm at a loss as to the multiplier each level Kaioken brings.

I know a normal Kaioken is 1.5 and a Kaioken x2 basically doubles one's strength. Does it continue to increase by 0.5 with each level or what?

[MisterFlashdude]

I'm at a loss as to the multiplier each level Kaioken brings.

I know a normal Kaioken is 1.5 and a Kaioken x2 basically doubles one's strength. Does it continue to increase by 0.5 with each level or what?

Well, one would assume that the power multiplies depending on the multiplier mentioned...

Thus, Kaioken x4 will multiply Goku's power by 4 and Kaioken x20 will multiply it by 20.

[Duo]

Kaio-ken (normal) is stated to double ones power at the beginning of Volume 20 of the Manga.

Kaio-ken x2 is, presumably, the formal term for the "normal" Kaio-ken.

Everything beyond multiplies by the numerical suffix.

[Xyex]

Duo's right. It's odd, but "Kaio-Ken" and "Double Kaio-Ken" are said to be pretty much the same thing. I think it's just a flub up on Toriyama-sama's part (wouldn't be the first) but that's what's stated. Not what I use in my fanfics, though. >.>

[Duo]

Duo's right. It's odd, but "Kaio-Ken" and "Double Kaio-Ken" are said to be pretty much the same thing. I think it's just a flub up on Toriyama-sama's part (wouldn't be the first) but that's what's stated. Not what I use in my fanfics, though. >.>

Yeah...if not for the Manga statement, I probably would've believed "Kaio-ken" to be a 1.5 increase forever. Oh well.

[Akira]

Power levels don't really matter in the grander scheme of all things Dragonball, but they were available during most of the times Kaioken was used. Here are the power level listings for each time Goku used Kaioken.

It helps get an idea of how the multipliers work.

On earth against Vegeta:
8000 – Son Goku
16000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x2)
24000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x3)
32000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x4)

On Namek against Commander Ginyu:
90000 – Son Goku
180000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x2)

[supersaiyanguru]

So that was goku at a kaioken times 2 when he was fighting ginyu. Why did it take goku like, half an episode to power up? Shoudn't it have been instantanious?

[Duo]

So that was goku at a kaioken times 2 when he was fighting ginyu. Why did it take goku like, half an episode to power up? Shoudn't it have been instantanious?

It didn't. Toei just expanded the scene for dramatic effect, that's all.

Or you could say he was "dragging it out" in order to make the scouter raise a certain rate to freak Ginyu out, if you wanted an "in universe" explanation, but that doesn't make much sense anyway.

[supersaiyanguru]

Hm, wasn't goku stalling for time or something?

[Duo]

Hm, wasn't goku stalling for time or something?

No, he wasn't.

[Dayspring]

Power levels don't really matter in the grander scheme of all things Dragonball, but they were available during most of the times Kaioken was used. Here are the power level listings for each time Goku used Kaioken.

It helps get an idea of how the multipliers work.

On earth against Vegeta:
8000 – Son Goku
16000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x2)
24000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x3)
32000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x4)

On Namek against Commander Ginyu:
90000 – Son Goku
180000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x2)

I'm guessing there simply isn't a Kaioken x1. My belief is that Goku either didn't say "x2" when he hit Nappa and powered up in front of Ginyu, or that x1 would simply recharge you back to your normally maxed state.

Example (obviously in a hypothetical scenario):
Goku vs Nappa = 8,000. Goku fights, gets a bit tired, now has a PL of 5-6,000. Goku uses Kaioken x1 to save Krillin. PL is back to 8,000.

[veshira]

Well, Kaioken multiplies the user's attack and speed by whatever fold the character desires at the cost of stamina and overall health (it starts to destroy Goku's body at one point).

Now, in multiplication, n x 1 = 1n, n = 1n.

Therefore, if my powerlevel is "1", and I somehow manage to use Kaioken, I would not use "Kaioken x1", because: 1 x 1 = 1, therefore it's meaningless.

For that reason, I believe there is no such thing as "Kaioken x1." The "regular Kaioken" (or what Goku was taught as the "regular Kaioken") was Kaioken x2, as Kaio-sama told him never to go beyond two-fold.

[Akira]

There is a Kaioken x1 (kinda)

It is the base level of the technique and is used when learning it to understand its functions and to "get a feel" for it.

It is shown in the anime during the unique intro recaps to one of the episodes during the Vegeta saga. North Kaio demonstrates the base Kaioken personally, and Goku takes off with it, destroying the obstacles Kaio set up for him along the road on his small planet.

Kaio is worn out just using the basic flare up of Kaioken and showing Goku its uses. He could never master it himself, but he taught it to Goku because he thought his new apprentice could.

After the training, the so called "Kaioken x1" is never used again, it is somewhat pointless, as mentioned in a previous post. Mastery over it allows for the double increase in power. Goku just happened to be a saiyan and was able to go farther with it than anyone before him. (Presumably)

[supersaiyanguru]

Do the humans ever use it? The kaio-ken I mean. I could have sworn yamcha uses it while fighting the ginyu force. Yeah, it was filler, but it would still be cool right?