Was God Ki Utilized Wrong?

[Beyond]

I think, for the most part, God ki was utilized poorly throughout the show. They did it wrong in multiple ways.

1. It seems to be a saiyan exclusive power, unless you are born with it. That doesn't make sense. God ki should be an upgrade that anyone who has certain qualities should be able to obtain. A saiyan has the ability to overcome their limits constantly through transformation, training, and almost dying. They also have superior durability. They didn't need to be the only race to have god ki on top of everything else. I mean it's called god ki, not saiyan ki, so it shouldn't be exclusive to anyone. Granted, I'm not sure they confirmed that only saiyans can gain god ki, but does it really matter if they never plain on showing the contrary?

2. Villains. In dragon ball super, all the non saiyan villains have to rely on gimmicks to have a chance. HIt with the time leap, Zamasu with immortality and stealing a saiyan body to keep up with power creep. Frieza is an exception. He just had to get off his lazy ass. I could see an argument being made that the gimmicks are actually a good thing, and it may be, but eventually it may hit a breaking point. Another problem, most of the gods aren't even fighters. They're just OP. Only black had the drive to be a long term rival. Once Goku surpasses these new guys it's over, they'll never catch up. Beerus doesn't train, and Whis and his people have duties that keep them bound to certain people and locations. In a couple of arcs we could get to the point where only saiyans can fight other saiyans. Better implementation of god ki could have slowed this seemingly inevitable fate down.

3 it's too simple. God ki should be like a video game upgrade system and have multiple different paths depending on the nature of the user. Nen in HunterXHunter is a perfect example. It's a little different for everyone. As it is now, saiyans should actually suck at using god ki because it's goes against their nature. They aren't calm, especially with all the rage boosts they get in super.

Tien would probably be a better god ki user than Goku. If there were multiple types of higher ki, then you could have Goku and Vegeta have something like "Warrior God Ki" that amplifies your power greatly, but at the cost of slightly greater ki use. Tien would have the god ki we know that is about being calm and not wasting any energy. Maybe even add demon ki for demons. I'm not saying everyone and their dog needs god ki, but I don't like it when they make one race so special.

I'm not going to act like these exceptions where realistic of dragon ball super, but I know for sure they could have done better than this. There could have been a long arc about god ki and it could've been great. God ki could have been earned something that Goku got because of him being a hard worker, but nah he got it because of lolgentics like everything else.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think, for the most part, God ki was utilized poorly throughout the show. They did it wrong in multiple ways.

1. It seems to be a saiyan exclusive power, unless you are born with it. That doesn't make sense. God ki should be an upgrade that anyone who has certain qualities should be able to obtain. A saiyan has the ability to overcome their limits constantly through transformation, training, and almost dying. They also have superior durability. They didn't need to be the only race to have god ki on top of everything else. I mean it's called god ki, not saiyan ki, so it shouldn't be exclusive to anyone. Granted, I'm not sure they confirmed that only saiyans can gain god ki, but does it really matter if they never plain on showing the contrary?

2. Villains. In dragon ball super, all the non saiyan villains have to rely on gimmicks to have a chance. HIt with the time leap, Zamasu with immortality and stealing a saiyan body to keep up with power creep. Frieza is an exception. He just had to get off his lazy ass. I could see an argument being made that the gimmicks are actually a good thing, and it may be, but eventually it may hit a breaking point. Another problem, most of the gods aren't even fighters. They're just OP. Only black had the drive to be a long term rival. Once Goku surpasses these new guys it's over, they'll never catch up. Beerus doesn't train, and Whis and his people have duties that keep them bound to certain people and locations. In a couple of arcs we could get to the point where only saiyans can fight other saiyans. Better implementation of god ki could have slowed this seemingly inevitable fate down.

3 it's too simple. God ki should be like a video game upgrade system and have multiple different paths depending on the nature of the user. Nen in HunterXHunter is a perfect example. It's a little different for everyone. As it is now, saiyans should actually suck at using god ki because it's goes against their nature. They aren't calm, especially with all the rage boosts they get in super.

Tien would probably be a better god ki user than Goku. If there were multiple types of higher ki, then you could have Goku and Vegeta have something like "Warrior God Ki" that amplifies your power greatly, but at the cost of slightly greater ki use. Tien would have the god ki we know that is about being calm and not wasting any energy. Maybe even add demon ki for demons. I'm not saying everyone and their dog needs god ki, but I don't like it when they make one race so special.

I'm not going to act like these exceptions where realistic of dragon ball super, but I know for sure they could have done better than this. There could have been a long arc about god ki and it could've been great. God ki could have been earned something that Goku got because of him being a hard worker, but nah he got it because of lolgentics like everything else.

Exactly it should not be a Saiyan exclusive and there should be different versions for each for huge variety.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

There has been no confirmation that Saiyans are the only non God race to have God Ki.

But anyway we've just got introduced to this God Ki thing it's wayyyyy to soon to expect them to expand lore on it, that's not how things work. We got the 12 universes drop from Beerus and that wasn't explored immediately. There is literally no rush for anything Super isn't ending tomorrow.

In the original Manga Goku's tail was seen as an abnormality and that was it, it wasn't until a long time later Toriyama decided to do something with it. Concepts aren't meant to be explored immediately, merely leaving future ideas open.

[ekrolo2]

It's not a bad idea but considering the fact it's created this convoluted power situation where people are talking about Goku having TWO Base forms in a vain attempt to make sense of tells us someone, or rather everyone, fucked up good with the concept.

Dragon Ball was pretty simple with how its power worked, but now? Good fucking luck figuring it out.

[dragonballhero]

I think, for the most part, God ki was utilized poorly throughout the show. They did it wrong in multiple ways.

1. It seems to be a saiyan exclusive power, unless you are born with it. That doesn't make sense. God ki should be an upgrade that anyone who has certain qualities should be able to obtain. A saiyan has the ability to overcome their limits constantly through transformation, training, and almost dying. They also have superior durability. They didn't need to be the only race to have god ki on top of everything else. I mean it's called god ki, not saiyan ki, so it shouldn't be exclusive to anyone. Granted, I'm not sure they confirmed that only saiyans can gain god ki, but does it really matter if they never plain on showing the contrary?

2. Villains. In dragon ball super, all the non saiyan villains have to rely on gimmicks to have a chance. HIt with the time leap, Zamasu with immortality and stealing a saiyan body to keep up with power creep. Frieza is an exception. He just had to get off his lazy ass. I could see an argument being made that the gimmicks are actually a good thing, and it may be, but eventually it may hit a breaking point. Another problem, most of the gods aren't even fighters. They're just OP. Only black had the drive to be a long term rival. Once Goku surpasses these new guys it's over, they'll never catch up. Beerus doesn't train, and Whis and his people have duties that keep them bound to certain people and locations. In a couple of arcs we could get to the point where only saiyans can fight other saiyans. Better implementation of god ki could have slowed this seemingly inevitable fate down.

3 it's too simple. God ki should be like a video game upgrade system and have multiple different paths depending on the nature of the user. Nen in HunterXHunter is a perfect example. It's a little different for everyone. As it is now, saiyans should actually suck at using god ki because it's goes against their nature. They aren't calm, especially with all the rage boosts they get in super.

Tien would probably be a better god ki user than Goku. If there were multiple types of higher ki, then you could have Goku and Vegeta have something like "Warrior God Ki" that amplifies your power greatly, but at the cost of slightly greater ki use. Tien would have the god ki we know that is about being calm and not wasting any energy. Maybe even add demon ki for demons. I'm not saying everyone and their dog needs god ki, but I don't like it when they make one race so special.

I'm not going to act like these exceptions where realistic of dragon ball super, but I know for sure they could have done better than this. There could have been a long arc about god ki and it could've been great. God ki could have been earned something that Goku got because of him being a hard worker, but nah he got it because of lolgentics like everything else.

Thank goodness someone said it! Seriously, it really bothers the heck out of me that God Ki is "exclusive" to the Saiyans. I mean, really. Not to mention the fact that with the way Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu are also focused on Super's OP and some EDs, I thought God Ki was going to be acquired by them to help them become more relevant.

Heck, I honestly thought at one point that Videl and Pan actually gained it alongside Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks during the SSJG ritual, but no, we just have to keep Goku and Vegeta as the "top dog mortals of the universe" or something.

[Xeztin]

God Ki was flipped flopped on so much it wasn't even funny, we don't even know how it works any more.
At first Goku absorbed it and couldn't use normal SSJ forms anymore as of (RoF) then he started using his normal forms again as of (U6 Tourney) and after that somehow Trunks tapped into it without any ritual or anything. Also it was once said SSJB is obtained by not letting your ki leak, (What happened to getting it from absorbing God KI?) I mean it's just been flipped flopped all over the place. Also I'm about positive Golden Freeza didn't have God Ki, and other races can have God Ki as well. Whatever Beerus is, Angels, Kaioshins, Hit, etc... We don't even know how Vegeta obtained it.

In my opinion God Ki should have stayed God Exclusive as with Golden Freeza, we see that normal ki can still be very powerful. God Ki frigged up the already upside down power scale, and we have no idea how it works or how you get stronger. I Also think God Ki made Goku and Vegeta way too powerful, SSG could have been on Beerus level but in my opinion SSJB should have been much weaker and be around 10x SSJ3 or something realistic to mortals.

I do think Piccolo should be able to gain God Ki through his Book of Legends and so on with the remaining cast.

In short, yes it was utilized very wrong as we don't even know how it works anymore and I'm not sure Toei does either. (or Toriyama)

[Lord Beerus]

The utilisation and implementation of God Ki is so ass backwards.

To start things off, Whis' training in the matter of how to tap into and utilise Godly Ki itself is very vague. All Goku and Vegeta were taught about is not leaking their ki and controlling it to level where they could raise their strength greatly. That's it. Then they were sent into a Whis' staff which seemed to have an environment that simulated God ki and they trained in there. After that, there is no further elaboration or exactly when or how you tap into God ki. Honestly, it's the writers of Super that royally fucked up on this occasion because there is no consistency on how or God ki even works, which lead to the major inconsistency of Super Saiyan Blue is truly attained. Goku's explanation to Freeza of how he obtained Super Saiyan Blue outright contradicts what Vegeta went through. Goku outright states when he became a Super Saiyan Blue, that the form was the result of a “Saiyan who’s a Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God”. Then when Vegeta attains the form, Goku explains that he just trained to achieve Super Saiyan Blue. Which make no sense because there is no indication he actual attained God ki prior to him transforming into a Super Saiyan Blue.

The anime seriously treads on its own toes on this regard because you either have to believe that Goku lost his Godly ki after fighting Beerus, which is never implied, and gained it back after training in Whis' staff or that Goku was full when explaining how he achieved Super Saiyan Blue. Hell, the excuse with Whis staff actually shoots itself in the foot when Vegeta and Goku can sense the Godly ki in the dimension that Whis' staff take them to. And it's already established that mortals can't sense Godly ki. So Goku definitely retained the power of Super Saiyan God after the Battle Of Gods arc and Vegeta obviously must have gained accessed and tapped into Godly ki prior to that. But where is the indication of when Vegeta did that? It all makes no sense. If they were truly tapping into God ki they should have had a some kind of different aura when either fighting each other, fighting Whis together or while they were in Whis' staff. But they didn't on any of those occasions. So it just make figuring out whether Goku and Vegeta are tapping into God Ki in their base form or any SSJ form that isn't Super Saiyan Blue bloody impossible.

And you also have to remember, Goku absorbed and retained the power of Super Super God, which has Godly Ki, during the climax of his battle with Beerus in the Battle Of Gods arc, so by all means he have had some kind of different aura surrounding his when was a Super Saiyan fighting Beerus because there is no way in hell that Goku did not tap into Godly ki when was Super Saiyan and fighting Beerus, but he didn't. And what about when Raging SS2J Vegeta's assault pushed Beerus to use 10% of his power. Where was Vegeta's special on that occasion if that was meant to be the moment he tapped into God Ki? Because it was already established that mortal couldn't do shit to harm Godly ki users, and yet Beerus had to use some his power to tank was Raging SS2J Vegeta threw at him. So either became monstrously strong without any real explanation, or Beerus is much weaker than we thought, or God Ki is really not that different to mortal ki.

In short, God Ki has made things insanely fucking confusing.

[HeroR]

The utilisation and implementation of God Ki is so ass backwards.

To start things off, Whis' training in the matter of how to tap into and utilise Godly Ki itself is very vague. All Goku and Vegeta were taught about is not leaking their ki and controlling it to level where they could raise their strength greatly. That's it. Then they were sent into a Whis' staff which seemed to have an environment that simulated God ki and they trained in there. After that, there is no further elaboration or exactly when or how you tap into God ki. Honestly, it's the writers of Super that royally fucked up on this occasion because there is no consistency on how or God ki even works, which lead to the major inconsistency of Super Saiyan Blue is truly attained. Goku's explanation to Freeza of how he obtained Super Saiyan Blue outright contradicts what Vegeta went through. Goku outright states when he became a Super Saiyan Blue, that the form was the result of a “Saiyan who’s a Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God”. Then when Vegeta attains the form, Goku explains that he just trained to achieve Super Saiyan Blue. Which make no sense because there is no indication he actual attained God ki prior to him transforming into a Super Saiyan Blue.

The anime seriously treads on its own toes on this regard because you either have to believe that Goku lost his Godly ki after fighting Beerus, which is never implied, and gained it back after training in Whis' staff or that Goku was full when explaining how he achieved Super Saiyan Blue. Hell, the excuse with Whis staff actually shoots itself in the foot when Vegeta and Goku can sense the Godly ki in the dimension that Whis' staff take them to. And it's already established that mortals can't sense Godly ki. So Goku definitely retained the power of Super Saiyan God after the Battle Of Gods arc and Vegeta obviously must have gained accessed and tapped into Godly ki prior to that. But where is the indication of when Vegeta did that? It all makes no sense. If they were truly tapping into God ki they should have had a some kind of different aura when either fighting each other, fighting Whis together or while they were in Whis' staff. But they didn't on any of those occasions. So it just make figuring out whether Goku and Vegeta are tapping into God Ki in their base form or any SSJ form that isn't Super Saiyan Blue bloody impossible.

And you also have to remember, Goku absorbed and retained the power of Super Super God, which has Godly Ki, during the climax of his battle with Beerus in the Battle Of Gods arc, so by all means he have had some kind of different aura surrounding his when was a Super Saiyan fighting Beerus because there is no way in hell that Goku did not tap into Godly ki when was Super Saiyan and fighting Beerus, but he didn't. And what about when Raging SS2J Vegeta's assault pushed Beerus to use 10% of his power. Where was Vegeta's special on that occasion if that was meant to be the moment he tapped into God Ki? Because it was already established that mortal couldn't do shit to harm Godly ki users, and yet Beerus had to use some his power to tank was Raging SS2J Vegeta threw at him. So either became monstrously strong without any real explanation, or Beerus is much weaker than we thought, or God Ki is really not that different to mortal ki.

In short, God Ki has made things insanely fucking confusing.

All Goku said was that he got a taste of godhood, which is how he got Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. And Goku did lose his god ki. When Goku went out of Super Saiyan God, everyone could feel his power and Whis said that Goku was no longer a god, see Episode 13. He just kept the power of godhood in his normal ki, which is how he can fight Beerus as a normal Super Saiyan and even in his base form. Only Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan have god ki. Why do you think everyone was shocked that they couldn't feel Goku's ki anymore when he transformed and people wonder if he was a Super Saiyan God again.

[fadeddreams5]

God ki is one of the absolute worst aspects about Super.

[precita]

We're nearly 70 episodes into Super and I still don't even get what God Ki even is. First it seemed like some mystically ability only Saiyans could get with a ritual as shown in the movie, now its just...a power that makes you nearly as strong as the God's?

[Ki Breaker]

Yes, this has bugged me too..

Why would Saiyans have a godly transformation in the first place?
Every species has traits which are needed for survival, super Saiyan makes sense, they are a warrior race.. it's fine..

But why would they need to have a godly transformation? They could just have a freeza type deal and get normal ki on level of God's.. there is no reason for them become gods themselves that too without any position to occupy in god hierarchy..

If we go by the definition in super you just compress your ki turn ss, and voila you get ssb..

This should be possible to be utilized by any character then.. krillin is so good at ki control, he should be able to do it just fine..
It shouldn't be a Saiyan exclusive thing..
I hope super expands on this down the road..

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think most people have gotten the wrong idea about god ki. All it does is making your ki unsensible from mortals, it doesn't grant any other special powers. Only the Shinjin can become Kaios and Kaioshins, but anyone can become a Kami or a Hakaishin, so anyone can obtain god ki as well. Super Saiyan God & Super Saiyan Blue just give both god ki and huge power increase, the power increase is a different thing since Goku kept that power in his mortal forms without keeping the god ki.

[Ki Breaker]

...and huge power increase, the power increase is a different thing since Goku kept that power in his mortal forms without keeping the god ki.

I am all for this, but what about vegeta? He never had any god power to keep strength from..
I might be missing something here but it is heavily suggested using god ki makes you stronger.. why will they bother becoming ssb then.. if ssb is ssj mixed with god ki, both should be of same strength.. only difference being they becoming non sensible..
Which freeza and hit managed to somehow sense anyway

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I am all for this, but what about vegeta? He never had any god power to keep strength from..

In the movie continuity, it was implied that Vegeta went through SSG & absorbed its power like Goku did. In the anime continuity, it was said that Vegeta obtained the power of SSG through training.

I might be missing something here but it is heavily suggested using god ki makes you stronger.. why will they bother becoming ssb then.. if ssb is ssj mixed with god ki, both should be of same strength.. only difference being they becoming non sensible..

Super Saiyan Blue is a form beyond Super Saiyan God, it's not just SS with god ki. It's an even stronger form. God ki doesn't make you stronger, Dende didn't become any stronger as far as I know. SSG & SSB makes the user stronger because they are powerful transformations that also give the user god ki.

Which freeza and hit managed to somehow sense anyway

Whis said in Super that once you reach a certain level, you can sense god ki.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think, for the most part, God ki was utilized poorly throughout the show. They did it wrong in multiple ways.

1. It seems to be a saiyan exclusive power, unless you are born with it. That doesn't make sense. God ki should be an upgrade that anyone who has certain qualities should be able to obtain. A saiyan has the ability to overcome their limits constantly through transformation, training, and almost dying. They also have superior durability. They didn't need to be the only race to have god ki on top of everything else. I mean it's called god ki, not saiyan ki, so it shouldn't be exclusive to anyone. Granted, I'm not sure they confirmed that only saiyans can gain god ki, but does it really matter if they never plain on showing the contrary?

2. Villains. In dragon ball super, all the non saiyan villains have to rely on gimmicks to have a chance. HIt with the time leap, Zamasu with immortality and stealing a saiyan body to keep up with power creep. Frieza is an exception. He just had to get off his lazy ass. I could see an argument being made that the gimmicks are actually a good thing, and it may be, but eventually it may hit a breaking point. Another problem, most of the gods aren't even fighters. They're just OP. Only black had the drive to be a long term rival. Once Goku surpasses these new guys it's over, they'll never catch up. Beerus doesn't train, and Whis and his people have duties that keep them bound to certain people and locations. In a couple of arcs we could get to the point where only saiyans can fight other saiyans. Better implementation of god ki could have slowed this seemingly inevitable fate down.

3 it's too simple. God ki should be like a video game upgrade system and have multiple different paths depending on the nature of the user. Nen in HunterXHunter is a perfect example. It's a little different for everyone. As it is now, saiyans should actually suck at using god ki because it's goes against their nature. They aren't calm, especially with all the rage boosts they get in super.

Tien would probably be a better god ki user than Goku. If there were multiple types of higher ki, then you could have Goku and Vegeta have something like "Warrior God Ki" that amplifies your power greatly, but at the cost of slightly greater ki use. Tien would have the god ki we know that is about being calm and not wasting any energy. Maybe even add demon ki for demons. I'm not saying everyone and their dog needs god ki, but I don't like it when they make one race so special.

I'm not going to act like these exceptions where realistic of dragon ball super, but I know for sure they could have done better than this. There could have been a long arc about god ki and it could've been great. God ki could have been earned something that Goku got because of him being a hard worker, but nah he got it because of lolgentics like everything else.

Thank goodness someone said it! Seriously, it really bothers the heck out of me that God Ki is "exclusive" to the Saiyans. I mean, really. Not to mention the fact that with the way Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu are also focused on Super's OP and some EDs, I thought God Ki was going to be acquired by them to help them become more relevant.

Heck, I honestly thought at one point that Videl and Pan actually gained it alongside Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks during the SSJG ritual, but no, we just have to keep Goku and Vegeta as the "top dog mortals of the universe" or something.

1) It's never been stated it's exclusive to Saiyans. I actually believe there may be evidence to the contrary I will look into it if I have time.

2) The answer isn't to make everyone a God. God Ki Yamcha? Really? Why on Earth should that or would that ever be a thing? Different characters have different potential and becoming a God (or rather having access to Godlike power) SHOULD be a unique thing.


I do agree with then premise of the OP though they definitely could have gone about it better.