How powerful was Base Black (first appearance in main timeline)

[Angelus]

The one that went through the time machine portal and fought Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

Around the same level as SSJ2 Goku.

[DragonHermit]

Close to SSBlue, but below it. Maybe 50-60%. He kicked SS Blue Vegeta hard, but couldn't defeat him.

[Lord Beerus]

Strong enough to hold SSJ2 Goku to a stalemate.

[Angelus]

But do you mean regular SSJ2 Goku? Like slightly more powerful than his Buu Arc SSJ2 self? Which wouldn't be even near his Buu Arc SSJ3 self?

[TheUltimateNinja]

But do you mean regular SSJ2 Goku? Like slightly more powerful than his Buu Arc SSJ2 self? Which wouldn't be even near his Buu Arc SSJ3 self?

Current Goku would be far more powerful than Buu Arc Goku from all the training he's done. I'd estimate he's over twice as strong at least, he trained for 4 years until Super, then trained for 4 months under Whis, then he trained for another 3 years in the time chamber with Vegeta.

Black would be stronger than Fat Buu.

Close to SSBlue, but below it. Maybe 50-60%. He kicked SS Blue Vegeta hard, but couldn't defeat him.

He's talking about Black when he came to our timeline unintentionally, at that time he was even with SSJ2 Goku and nowhere close to SSBlue.

[Angelus]

Oh wow so even SSJ3 Gotenks could have beat up Black back then. You know, before Black started to like pain and all that

[Bullza]

Oh wow so even SSJ3 Gotenks could have beat up Black back then. You know, before Black started to like pain and all that

Why would SSJ3 Gotenks have beaten him up? SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even make Base Vegeta budge an inch. Black was on par with SSJ2 Goku.

Black was enormously more powerful, dozens of even hundreds of times more powerful.

[Angelus]

I was going by TheUltimateNinja's response

[ChiefWamsutta]

Why would SSJ3 Gotenks have beaten him up? SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even make Base Vegeta budge an inch. Black was on par with SSJ2 Goku.
Black was enormously more powerful, dozens of even hundreds of times more powerful.

Dude, I think you're all scrambled with powerscaling. Future Trunks wonders why Goku was taking it easy against Black.

When Goku Black meets the Z-Fighters his Base is slightly stronger than SS2 Goku (BoG).

After the fight with Son Goku, he can tank hits from SSB Vegeta and learned Super Saiyan Rose (SSB + Zamasu's Ki = SSR).

[Bullza]

Why would SSJ3 Gotenks have beaten him up? SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even make Base Vegeta budge an inch. Black was on par with SSJ2 Goku.
Black was enormously more powerful, dozens of even hundreds of times more powerful.

Dude, I think you're all scrambled with powerscaling. Future Trunks wonders why Goku was taking it easy against Black.

When Goku Black meets the Z-Fighters his Base is slightly stronger than SS2 Goku (BoG).

After the fight with Son Goku, he can tank hits from SSB Vegeta and learned Super Saiyan Rose (SSB + Zamasu's Ki = SSR).

What does that have to do with what I said?

[ChiefWamsutta]

Why would SSJ3 Gotenks have beaten him up? SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even make Base Vegeta budge an inch. Black was on par with SSJ2 Goku.
Black was enormously more powerful, dozens of even hundreds of times more powerful.

Dude, I think you're all scrambled with powerscaling. Future Trunks wonders why Goku was taking it easy against Black.

When Goku Black meets the Z-Fighters his Base is slightly stronger than SS2 Goku (BoG).

After the fight with Son Goku, he can tank hits from SSB Vegeta and learned Super Saiyan Rose (SSB + Zamasu's Ki = SSR).

What does that have to do with what I said?

It has everything to do with what you said. Goku Black is not "dozens or even hundreds of times more powerful than SS3 Gotenks." Goku Black was on par with SS2 Goku before he absorbed God Ki.

[Bullza]

It has everything to do with what you said. Goku Black is not "dozens or even hundreds of times more powerful than SS3 Gotenks." Goku Black was on par with SS2 Goku before he absorbed God Ki.

Huh? Black was on par SSJ2 Goku in the Future Trunks saga yeah. This SSJ2 Goku is supposedly tens of times stronger than Base Goku who was as strong as Base Vegeta who SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't move.

If the gap between Black and Gotenks is even wider then he would be dozens of times stronger then him.

[ChiefWamsutta]

It has everything to do with what you said. Goku Black is not "dozens or even hundreds of times more powerful than SS3 Gotenks." Goku Black was on par with SS2 Goku before he absorbed God Ki.

Huh? Black was on par SSJ2 Goku in the Future Trunks saga yeah. This SSJ2 Goku is supposedly tens of times stronger than Base Goku who was as strong as Base Vegeta who SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't move.

If the gap between Black and Gotenks is even wider then he would be dozens of times stronger then him.

Okay, so what do you believe is the difference between Goku's SS form and Goku's SSB form, which supposedly are both Super Saiyans with the power of a Super Saiyan God? Goku calls SSB a Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God. But we also know that Goku's SS form absorbed the SSGod power, and is as strong as a SSGod.

[HeroR]

Okay, so what do you believe is the difference between Goku's SS form and Goku's SSB form, which supposedly are both Super Saiyans with the power of a Super Saiyan God? Goku calls SSB a Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God. But we also know that Goku's SS form absorbed the SSGod power, and is as strong as a SSGod.

I highly suggest you look a Episode 13 again or even just watch the ending of the movie. When Goku lost Super Saiyan God, his power didn't drop much. He was able to hit Beerus in his base form and Super Saiyan form, when Super Saiyan 3 Goku got two-shotted by a Beerus who was barely trying. It was also noted in Super that when Goku lost his god form, everyone felt his ki and Whis said he wasn't a god anymore. So Goku's base and golden Super Saiyan form do not have god ki despite keeping the power of Super Saiyan God. The only forms with god ki are Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

In other words, Goku is ungodly strong even without using god ki.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, so what do you believe is the difference between Goku's SS form and Goku's SSB form, which supposedly are both Super Saiyans with the power of a Super Saiyan God? Goku calls SSB a Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God. But we also know that Goku's SS form absorbed the SSGod power, and is as strong as a SSGod.

I highly suggest you look a Episode 13 again or even just watch the ending of the movie. When Goku lost Super Saiyan God, his power didn't drop much. He was able to hit Beerus in his base form and Super Saiyan form, when Super Saiyan 3 Goku got two-shotted by a Beerus who was barely trying. It was also noted in Super that when Goku lost his god form, everyone felt his ki and Whis said he wasn't a god anymore. So Goku's base and golden Super Saiyan form do not have god ki despite keeping the power of Super Saiyan God. The only forms with god ki are Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

In other words, Goku is ungodly strong even without using god ki.

That power most likely faded away shortly, if Goku still had it and was able to combine it with SSJ without going Blue, then that would mean Piccolo is above SSG.

[HeroR]

That power most likely faded away shortly, if Goku still had it and was able to combine it with SSJ without going Blue, then that would mean Piccolo is above SSG.

It was never stated or implied that Goku lost his power after absorbing Super Saiyan God. It's the opposite since Whis tells Vegeta point blank that he would never catch up to Goku at the rate he was going despite becoming notable stronger, via Episode 16.

And Piccolo only did well against Frost since Goku beat the crap out of him. Frost could barely stand. Also, Frost severely underestimated Piccolo, something Piccolo lampshade, and Goku told Piccolo point blank that he stood no chance against Frost.

[mamoru]

A bit stronger than Suppressed SSJ3 Goku, weaker than SSJ2 Goku.

[LowRyder2005]

A bit stronger than Suppressed SSJ3 Goku, weaker than SSJ2 Goku.

The topic was almost a year old, and I doubt the opener was searching for more answers. Try not to necropost, it's frowned upon here.