Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

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Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by WittyUsername » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:40 pm

It made sense when they did that with the Jump Special, and I didn't mind it that much when they did it with BoG, but doesn't it seem a bit weird that Super, which is basically a sequel to the manga/anime technically takes place before the very end of its predecessor? I know that 10 years is a long gap, but then again, the Dragon Ball franchise is no stranger to long gaps.

I know that GT took place after Oob was introduced, but that show's been rendered as non-canon anyway, so why not just continue from the very end of the original manga? At this point, it just seems weird that Goku would've even been interested in fighting Oob, if he had already met a ton of beings in the multiverse who were already infinitely stronger than Majin Boo. It kind of makes me wonder if they're essentially just retconning the epilogue with Oob entirely.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Ssenrof » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:56 pm

They purposely want to create retcons in order to spread controversy.

The is no reason why it can't be after the 10 year gap.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:13 pm

It was intended to be one of the events that happened while Goku was waiting for Uub, then it became its own thing.
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by precita » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:40 pm

Uh, the gap between the end of the Buu saga and Uub is only 5 years.

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Post by WittyUsername » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:45 pm

precita wrote:Uh, the gap between the end of the Buu saga and Uub is only 5 years.
Pretty sure it's 10 years. Otherwise Goten and Trunks went through some massive growth spurts, and Oob was a pretty old looking 5-year old.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:56 pm

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precita wrote:Uh, the gap between the end of the Buu saga and Uub is only 5 years.
Pretty sure it's 10 years. Otherwise Goten and Trunks went through some massive growth spurts, and Oob was a pretty old looking 5-year old.
Boo to Oob is 10 years (AGE 774-784). I suppose the confusion is probably some fans (and dub materials at times) mixing it up with Oob to GT, which is 5 years (AGE 784-789)?
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Chuquita » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:11 pm

Because I think:
-Toriyama thinks the EoZ cast would be too old?
-Shueisha is afraid of retconning GT and/or EoZ?
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by WittyUsername » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:16 pm

Chuquita wrote:Because I think:
-Toriyama thinks the EoZ cast would be too old?
-Shueisha is afraid of retconning GT and/or EoZ?
As far as the second point goes, GT has already been retconned, and if anything, placing everything in Super within the 10 year gap actually makes the chances of retconning the end of the original manga even more likely.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:24 pm

WittyUsername wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Because I think:
-Toriyama thinks the EoZ cast would be too old?
-Shueisha is afraid of retconning GT and/or EoZ?
As far as the second point goes, GT has already been retconned, and if anything, placing everything in Super within the 10 year gap actually makes the chances of retconning the end of the original manga even more likely.
By the way, has GT ever been officially retconned, with a statement from Toei or something like that? Or was it simply because of the contradictions between Super and GT?
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by WittyUsername » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:44 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:
WittyUsername wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Because I think:
-Toriyama thinks the EoZ cast would be too old?
-Shueisha is afraid of retconning GT and/or EoZ?
As far as the second point goes, GT has already been retconned, and if anything, placing everything in Super within the 10 year gap actually makes the chances of retconning the end of the original manga even more likely.
By the way, has GT ever been officially retconned, with a statement from Toei or something like that? Or was it simply because of the contradictions between Super and GT?
It seems pretty safe to say that it's been retconned. The events of GT don't mesh with the events of Super.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:00 pm

Toriyama did state that GT was an alternate timeline, didn't he?

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by sintzu » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:17 pm

Uub was brought up in the Champa arc so we'll likely get him but I think we'll be getting an ending that takes all the new stories into account.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:24 pm

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Deathbringer » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:33 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Toriyama did state that GT was an alternate timeline, didn't he?
he called it a side story


also I think the reason everything is happening before the ending to the manga is probably because Toriyama still sees the manga's ending as the actual ending to the series, I know it's a very open ending but that's how he decided to end it when it came to ending the manga so I can imagine he would want to stick by that decision.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:30 pm

The staff at Toei are following the groundwork laid by Toriyama with Battle of Gods, and that movie was set within the ten year time-gap because everyone was starting to get old by the time of the epilogue.
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:04 am

Probably because money. The character designs from the Buu saga are classics and so iconic. It's easier to use the same character designs for merchandise because the series is a cash cow for Toei and Bandai. The character designs in DBZ are timeless and don't feel dated.
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:14 am

-They don't have to deal with Oob. The main cast that everyone is attached to is intact and mostly unchanged. Also, they get to use the younger, more iconic and vibrant looks for those that didn't age well.
-GT already explored that time period, and I doubt that Toei would approve of directly overwriting something in a way that would make GT unmarketable. That is, assuming Toriyama would want to retread that time period anyway.

Those 2 are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more plausible reasons.
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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by precita » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:18 am

Its ironic because Super barely uses kid Trunks or Goten anyway, so what's the point?

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, etc. barely look any different after the timeskip. The only major changes are Goten and Trunks are young adults.

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by WittyUsername » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:53 am

precita wrote:Its ironic because Super barely uses kid Trunks or Goten anyway, so what's the point?

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, etc. barely look any different after the timeskip. The only major changes are Goten and Trunks are young adults.
Well, Bulma would also look noticeably older, which I guess wouldn't be too good for her "sex appeal". :D

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Re: Why is everything being placed within the 10-year time gap?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:56 am

Why do people think if they over write GT in the timeline then they can't use GT again for anything else? GT characters will still be use in merchandise and in the video games. Even Dragon Ball Online ignores GT and we still have GT stuff today.
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