Guys...Episode 66...Vegetto DID kill Black! Just not Zamasu!

[Fionordequester]

I've been saying for a while that Episode 66 was both extremely well-animated and excellently choreographed...while also being one of the most poorly written episodes I've seen in a long time. It was the very definition of a mixed bag; kind of like the two Transformers movies I saw. But THEN I was surfing through the Youtube comments on one of the "Vegito vs. Zamasu: Full Fight" videos, and found THIS!

Kyle Benson1 week ago
I notice Zamasu's "fusion voice" went away around the time of the Final Kamehameha hit... Does that mean that Black died in that attack and further affected the fusion? Or does Black die when the Zamasu fusion is destroyed by Trunks?

This was a stunning discovery to me; so I went ahead to 2:42; and sure enough, Kyle was right! Actually, his "fusion voice" filter went away immediately after he got hit by the Final Kamehameha! And while that COULD have just been a mistake...I think it's telling that Vegetto told him...

"This'll end it!"

Right before he fired said Final Kamehameha! I thought he was just saying that because he was excited...but no! Now it seems like he said that because he WAS about to end it! He somehow figured out that the Goku Black part of Zamasu could be killed, and intended to do precisely that with the Final Kamehameha. Then Zamasu's "fusion voice" goes away...which means that he is now drastically weakened by the time Trunks jumps in. And for that matter, that's also precisely why Vegetto yelled "Say goodbye!" right before he defused; Vegetto was JUST about to finish things up!

And if THAT'S the case, then it can be assumed that Trunks WAS actually fairly close in power to Zamasu, even BEFORE he got that Spirit Bomb sword. He already had 95% of what he needed to beat Zamasu; he just needed that extra 5% from the people he got energy from. So to sum up the main points...

1) Vegetto was the one that killed Black, not Trunks. You can tell because of how Zamasu's "fusion voice" went away IMMEDIATELY after he got hit by the Final Kamehameha. He wasn't JUST thrown in for fanservice.

2) A Potara Fusion, IIRC, operates on a multiplier of (Person A's Power Level x Person B's Power Level); so Vegetto killing Black would have DRASTICALLY lowered Merged Zamasu's power.

3) Trunks was basically equal to regular Zamasu once he got access to his Super Saiyan Demi-God form (fan name); so it stands to reason that he WOULD be able to chop a drastically weakened Merged Zamasu in half with just a teensy bit of help from the Earthlings. It wasn't that they somehow created more energy than the Spirit Bomb that killed Kid Buu; Trunks just didn't require nearly as much extra power as Goku did.

Now, does this excuse everything that was wrong with Episode 66? I would argue not; Toei's writers REALLY did not do a good job of explaining all this. This is a show that's literally aimed at children; I don't think we should have to do so much of the leg work in figuring out just what the heck happened. Plus, I don't like how they contradicted their Potara Fusion rules twice within the same episode; that only added to how confused I was at what was going on. But hey; I still like this episode a lot better than I did before !

[Lek]

I really like this theory!

[Fionordequester]

I really like this theory!

Aw, thank you Lek! A lot of other people suggested some variation of "Vegetto weakened Merged Zamasu enough for Trunks to kill him", but I was never able to buy into until now. I just could not find evidence to support it! Merged Zamasu looked basically the same at the end of the Vegetto fight as he did at the beginning, there weren't any visible wounds he was suffering from, and there wasn't any mention of his power lowering...I couldn't find anything to latch on to.

That's why I was so excited when Kyle Brenson pointed out that his fusion voice went away! That was precisely what I needed; just SOME kind of clue that that was what really happened!

[Ki Breaker]

This has moved me..
How did I not notice this till now holy shit!!!!
Everything makes sense now, ( most of it )
Come on toie..Explanaling this wouldn't have hurt would it? But Nooooooo you had to rush right! Explaining stuff is the job of fans, let's just go so fast that they need a month to understand what really happened.. so even if it's making sense now, it's nothing more than a theory.. sad..
well it's canon to me!

Well this better be updated as the real deal in wiki, most casual fans use that only

[Cetra]

There is no actual "killing Black" because the consciousness of the two guys ceased to exist the moment they fused to give birth to another one, short, Black and Zamasu were already dead at that time and their "remains" were just what that new Zamasu consisted of.

I also noticed that at one point the voice no longer echoed but I think that is just because they no longer cared for it. If, let's call it, "the components that once were Black", yes, that is more accurate for me without saying something psychologically wrong, would have actually been completely gone, then it would have been way more obvious. Just like it was with the "crumbling body". Why is there even any necessity to explain this finale. This is Dragon Ball. A seemingly invincible Broly was beaten by a power transfer as well. A Hit was so ridiculously good that he was about to imorive so immensely that he could keep up with Goku until the very end.

[Yomi]

Wow, that's crazy!'
I didn't notice that before. They really shouldn't have been THAT subtle.
Episode 66 made a lot of rants that influenced a lot of people because of power scaling.

Now all they need is Goku holding his hands up forming a spirit bomb instead of DAT BOI trunks.

[dbs fanboy]

Mah, i still think that Zamasu was extremely weakened because he was unstable, you know, when he became a monster. Zamasu's both mental state and physical were affecting him, and in fact, his new "form" was weaker than the last one as he was falling apart and Vegetto stated that he was slower than before, and right after that he received a final kamehameha. What i mean is that, it doesn't matter if the Black element was killed or not, Merged Zamasu was already fucked up by the time Trunks faced him.

[Yomi]

Mah, i still think that Zamasu was extremely weakened because he was unstable, you know, when he became a monster. Zamasu's both mental state and physical were affecting him, and in fact, his new "form" was weaker than the last one as he was falling apart and Vegetto stated that he was slower than before, and right after that he received a final kamehameha. What i mean is that, it doesn't matter if the Black element was killed or not, Merged Zamasu was already fucked up by the time Trunks faced him.

He's as stable as they come, lol.

[SansrivaaL]

I also noticed that at one point the voice no longer echoed but I think that is just because they no longer cared for it. If,

The echo was gone soon after Goku destroyed the ring of light on his back.

[Fionordequester]

The echo was gone soon after Goku destroyed the ring of light on his back.

...Really? I just rewatched it, and it sounds like it's still there. It doesn't seem to be until the Final Kamehameha that he loses it for good.

[Abra kadabra]

Merged zamasu is one person. He can't kill black because black no longer exists. This theory reads like wishful thinking for vegito fans hoping he wasn't completely useless

[Yomi]

Merged zamasu is one person. He can't kill black because black no longer exists. This theory reads like wishful thinking for vegito fans hoping he wasn't completely useless

I think when one half of your body looks completely different than the other half, you can start speculating about the fusion being unstable.

[Cetra]

I also noticed that at one point the voice no longer echoed but I think that is just because they no longer cared for it. If,

The echo was gone soon after Goku destroyed the ring of light on his back.

An even more interesting time in the battle as that was when he got severely damaged. I mean, I would not totally exclude the possibility that "that component was damaged" and that time would even be more fitting. But I am just not okay with mentioning it like Black literally died because the person "Black" no longer was there. If anything, just as I said before, "the remains of Black that the new guy consists of". But even when it comes to that, I would not bet that they really thought of it like that.

[Abra kadabra]

Merged zamasu is one person. He can't kill black because black no longer exists. This theory reads like wishful thinking for vegito fans hoping he wasn't completely useless

I think when one half of your body looks completely different than the other half, you can start speculating about the fusion being unstable.

The fusion wasnt immortal. Merged Zamasu mind was unstable and the other half being purple and looking like it was melting is most likely a visual narrative device used to portray this.

[MagmonKai]

His voice was the same even after the final Kamehameha...I just re-watched it.

[Abra kadabra]

Now this thread can be locked. It's best that we don't spread misinformation :3

[Yomi]

Now this thread can be locked. It's best that we don't spread misinformation :3

It's a theory, no need to Geekdom/Anime-Live-Reaction everyone about le cartoon.

[Fionordequester]

His voice was the same even after the final Kamehameha...I just re-watched it.

I don't agree with that. If any of you want to check it out for yourself, here's a clip that covers the tail end of the Vegetto fight AND Trunks chopping Zamasu in half:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1cNv6iZmk

I personally think the voice filter disappears immediately after the Final Kamehameha, but you can judge for yourself.

EDIT: Wait...but then he gets it back at 3:03, right after Trunk's gathers that huge Spirit Bomb? Umm...crud, I hope my ears aren't working right, but...what do you guys think? Was that something that was just thrown in for dramatic license? I mean, Trunks gets it really briefly too, at 3:18...but that was just for that one line. I'm so confused ...

[Mazingerdestro]

When two people merge they become one.
Merged Zamasu suffered because 2 different forced of nature combined. Mortality+immortality.
It's nothing unnatural. It's like when you are sick and you can't use your whole power because something is wrong with you.

The voice filter never disappeared. At some points is silenced a little bit but you can clearly hear it even at the end with Trunks. They probably silence it to avoid static in sound.
When the ring was destroyed and Goku used kaioken you can hear the filter when Zamasu yells "son goku"

[DHM211]

I like this theory. It would also explain why only Zamasu, not merged Zamasu's face appears in the sky after he gets cut in half.