Zamasu and Black vs 18 and 17

[Totamo]

which pair of destruction was better written and we're a better team in your opinion?

[Ki Breaker]

17 and 18 take the cake in pure brutality for me..
Zamasu and black obviously had better team work, they are a single person..

[Chuquita]

17 and 18 had more fun. I think of them at the amusement park, stealing that van and riding around in it.

Zamasu and Gokû Black had their cabin hideout, but we never see what they do inside it other than drink together.

[Zamasu55]

17 and 18 had more fun. I think of them at the amusement park, stealing that van and riding around in it.

Zamasu and Gokû Black had their cabin hideout, but we never see what they do inside it other than drink together.

I think they...

[Freeza9000]

Zamasu and Goku Black definitely. Their teamwork is so fucking spectacular and impressively work well together (when Zamasu held both Goku and Trunks by the neck, Black's kamekameha) and actually seemed unstoppable and nearly impossible to beat. One has a body of ever increasing strength and one with an immortal body. Granted, No. 17 and 18 were quite formidable in their own rights, but their powers are literally nothing compared to the team of an immortal body and an infinitely increasing body.

[Lord Beerus]

Zamasu and Black. They used their strengths and weaknesses to flawlessly work together as a team. But 18 and 17 were very much in sync when it came to brutality.

[ekrolo2]

Black is the best of the four, Future Zamasu is just a pale copy of him while 17 and 18 are just kind of there.

[Lord Beerus]

Black is the best of the four, Future Zamasu is just a pale copy of him while 17 and 18 are just kind of there.

But... Black is Zamasu. If Black was any other character, I would completely understand the complaint, but Black is basically Goku with Zamasu's soul inside of him.

[Doctor.]

Black is the best of the four, Future Zamasu is just a pale copy of him while 17 and 18 are just kind of there.

But... Black is Zamasu. If Black was any other character, I would completely understand the complaint, but Black is basically Goku with Zamasu's soul inside of him.

Black is Zamasu but Zamasu isn't Black.

[ekrolo2]

Black is the best of the four, Future Zamasu is just a pale copy of him while 17 and 18 are just kind of there.

But... Black is Zamasu. If Black was any other character, I would completely understand the complaint, but Black is basically Goku with Zamasu's soul inside of him.

Black is also affected by being in Goku's body, hence explaining why he relishes in destruction so much, by having standard mcdefault Zamasu act in pretty much the same way, you make both of them a lot less interesting. Future Zamasu shouldn't be a saint, but he shouldn't act like a bloodthirsty Saiyan either.

[dbzfan7]

Gotta go with Zamasu and Black. I like 18 & 17, but Zamasu and Black had a cool team work thing going on, and sick moves. Outside of the double team of Gohan in the special, 18 & 17 haven't done as much. Though Merged Zamasu is kinda dull when compared to just Black alone. Would have rather Black be the center or stick around as Masako was just so good at making him deliciously evil.

[Lord Beerus]

Black is the best of the four, Future Zamasu is just a pale copy of him while 17 and 18 are just kind of there.

But... Black is Zamasu. If Black was any other character, I would completely understand the complaint, but Black is basically Goku with Zamasu's soul inside of him.

Black is also affected by being in Goku's body, hence explaining why he relishes in destruction so much, by having standard mcdefault Zamasu act in pretty much the same way, you make both of them a lot less interesting. Future Zamasu shouldn't be a saint, but he shouldn't act like a bloodthirsty Saiyan either.

The reason Zamasu relishes being in Goku's body was because he fought him and lost and wondered what kind of body he had. The feeling of know that trait that come with a full blooded Saiyan, Zenkai's, becoming stronger the more you fight, transformations, certainly had an affect on his personality, but I think it's safe to safe to say that anyone that plans to wipe all mortals and rebuild an entire multiverse in what he believes would be the perfect image for higher beings and deities, is already quite a sadistic, bloodthirsty and unhinged person. Being in Goku's body added more "let me see what I can do" mentality. Something that Future Zamasu didn't have and didn't even need because he was immortal. He didn't have to feel the need to take in the different combat environments or scenarios that he would be a part of because he can't die. Nobody can really challenge. Excluding Zeno.

[ekrolo2]

The reason Zamasu relishes being in Goku's body was because he fought him and lost and wondered what kind of body he had. The feeling of know that trait that come with a full blooded Saiyan, Zenkai's, becoming stronger the more you fight, transformations, certainly had an affect on his personality, but I think it's safe to safe to say that anyone that plans to wipe all mortals and rebuild an entire multiverse in what he believes would be the perfect image for higher beings and deities, is already quite a sadistic, bloodthirsty and unhinged person. Being in Goku's body added more "let me see what I can do" mentality. Something that Future Zamasu didn't have and didn't even need because he was immortal. He didn't have to feel the need to take in the different combat environments or scenarios that he would be a part of because he can't die. Nobody can really challenge. Excluding Zeno.

As I said, I don't expect default Zamasu to be some kind of saint, but when he's essentially acting just as much of a Saiyan bastard without even being one biologically it makes them both a lot less interesting. Honestly, given the fact Zamasu is the one who can't feel anything, it would be a lot more interesting if he was the more calm and reserved of the two instead of them both being cackling psychopaths.

[sailorspazz]

Zamasu and Gokû Black had their cabin hideout, but we never see what they do inside it other than drink together.

I mean...that's why we have fan works

But seriously...Black and Zamasu presented a very interesting dynamic. We're accustomed to seeing villain duos/groups in Dragon Ball that eventually fall apart due to betrayal, but Black and Zamasu were solid. So were #17 and #18, even with occasional brother-sister bickering, but Black and Zamasu barely disagreed or argued at all. Their conversation about whether Black should've become immortal was just a difference of opinion, and the only time I can think of when anything even remotely negative transpired between them was after Zamasu was freaked out about the Mafuuba and Black thought he looked pathetic. Otherwise, they presented a strongly united force, and it was fun to watch the way they could fight perfectly in sync without even needing to communicate. Their dual speeches were fun, too. I thought that was foreshadowing their fusion and giving us a preview of what the voice would sound like, but then they ended up going with just Miki (honestly can't fault them for that, since he had his best, craziest performance while fused). It was truly fascinating how they created two versions of the same character who have differences from each other, yet remain the same in their core values, and who enjoy relaxing tea breaks between bouts of murder and mayhem.

[FireFly]

Black and Zamasu were far more interesting as a team while the two future androids were just kind of two superpowered kids who relish in mindless destruction. It was a shame to see the "Black" aspects of their fused character get thrown out the window at the end of the arc though.