Future Trunks out-of-nowhere win

[Lujin_16]

Some are complaining about Future Trunks asspull against Zamasu but there were asspulls before in Dragonball like Kid Goku's dragonfist killing King Piccolo or a dead Goku helping Gohan with a kamhameha against Cell...Both were hope asspull attacks just like Future Trunks but no one has complained about that

[sintzu]

They didn't happen that often in the original and when they did they weren't as bad as Trunks'.

They don't bother me that much but they could've been handled a lot better if they just took their time a bit with the arc.

[dbs fanboy]

Yeah, there were asspulls in dbz as well but Trunk's one was really annoying because the transformation wasn't explained (ep 66 was symbolic so it didn't bother me that much)

For example Gohan, ssj 2 came out from nowhere, but at least it was pointed out that it was all the potential that he had hidden, without holding back. With Trunks the only thing we got is "woah, rage power" and nothing more.

[Simere]

It was an ape, not a dragon, and what made it an asspull? It was already established that Goku was stronger than Piccolo; that's why he tried to disable him in the first place. And we'd already seen Goku use a blast to propel himself in the air before.

He only provided motivational support which was portrayed visually against Cell.

[Boo Machine]

I think the spirit sword thing had some backlash because we were still waiting for an answer to what Trunks was even doing with his transformation. Then he goes and does something else people can't Explain. I personally loved it but it's not hard to see why people would be annoyed.

Dragonabll is no stranger to ass pulls. But I'm not sure the moments you listed qualify.

[FortuneSSJ]

For example Gohan, ssj 2 came out from nowhere, but at least it was pointed out that it was all the potential that he had hidden, without holding back.

And then in the next arc Goku and Vegeta got it too...

[dbs fanboy]

For example Gohan, ssj 2 came out from nowhere, but at least it was pointed out that it was all the potential that he had hidden, without holding back.

And then in the next arc Goku and Vegeta got it too...

Well that's a flaw of the buu arc lol

[GodKaio-Ken]

Some are complaining about Future Trunks asspull against Zamasu but there were asspulls before in Dragonball like Kid Goku's dragonfist killing King Piccolo or a dead Goku helping Gohan with a kamhameha against Cell...Both were hope asspull attacks just like Future Trunks but no one has complained about that

I dont think you understand what an asspull is. Its when something that absolutely shouldnt happen by existing standards comes out of nowhere without reasoning or build up.

The Dragon fist wasnt an asspull. It was a move he always had in his arsenal and it was no stronger than it should have been within reason. Goku used all of his remaining energy in that move. It was his last good limb. It at least makes sense.

The Cell Games thing...i dont get what you mean. Its been established communication between worlds is possible.

Now compare this to FT who not only made illogical power jumps but learned entirely new moves in 30 seconds.

[dbs fanboy]

Some are complaining about Future Trunks asspull against Zamasu but there were asspulls before in Dragonball like Kid Goku's dragonfist killing King Piccolo or a dead Goku helping Gohan with a kamhameha against Cell...Both were hope asspull attacks just like Future Trunks but no one has complained about that

I dont think you understand what an asspull is. Its when something that absolutely shouldnt happen by existing standards comes out of nowhere without reasoning or build up.

The Dragon fist wasnt an asspull. It was a move he always had in his arsenal and it was no stronger than it should have been within reason. Goku used all of his remaining energy in that move. It was his last good limb. It at least makes sense.

The Cell Games thing...i dont get what you mean. Its been established communication between worlds is possible.

Now compare this to FT who not only made illogical power jumps but learned entirely new moves in 30 seconds.

I really wanted to give an A to this arc damn it, but i can't as i keep remembering these mistakes

[Kishido]

It wasn't really the worst power ups in the franchise... and COMPLETELY unexplained.

Now waiting for heroes to give this form a name. Dokkan Battle had no clue as well what happened

[Dbzfan94]

How is Goku helping Gohan against Cell an asspull? Encoruagement?

Goku wasn't really there anyway. The shot of Goku doing the Kamehameha behind Gohan is just for the visual value.

[precita]

I swear the word, "asspull" is one of the most annoying ways to describe a character winning in the series

[Bansho64]

Some are complaining about Future Trunks asspull against Zamasu but there were asspulls before in Dragonball like Kid Goku's dragonfist killing King Piccolo or a dead Goku helping Gohan with a kamhameha against Cell...Both were hope asspull attacks just like Future Trunks but no one has complained about that

First off, it wasn't a Dragon Fist. It was a Kamehameha propelling him into the air and himself punching Piccolo in the stomach. It was already established that Goku was already stronger than Piccolo too.

Goku coached Gohan with the Kamehameha, but he physically donated nothing in terms of power to the boy. That's a dad being a dad. He was helping his son get past his insecurities and his inner fears with his words.

There have been past "@**pulls" in the franchise but neither of what you listed should be considered one.

[perucho1990]

Yeah, there were asspulls in dbz as well but Trunk's one was really annoying because the transformation wasn't explained (ep 66 was symbolic so it didn't bother me that much)

For example Gohan, ssj 2 came out from nowhere, but at least it was pointed out that it was all the potential that he had hidden, without holding back. With Trunks the only thing we got is "woah, rage power" and nothing more.

I dont remember Toei even explaining Gokus punch that killed Piccolo Daimao but it was still a cool moment.

[Lord Beerus]

Future Trunks' new for is basically SSJ3 all over again: A transformation that is conveniently created to ensure the the Saiyans main cast heroes can keep up with villains.

[Abra kadabra]

I loved the Kibo dama sword. I've got nothing against the power of friendship if the symbolism is good and heartwarming

[ChronoTwigger]

I loved the Kibo dama sword. I've got nothing against the power of friendship if the symbolism is good and heartwarming

How nice!

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People complaint how Future Trunks could have ranged from worm to god tier simply by... frustration, while for the same deed other characters spent entire lives.
Quick learning wasn't even a character trait so far... other characters do kind deeds, but the cost is payed. Trunks got twice a "Sailormoon win all evil with the power of love" unexplained card.

The whole stuff could have been solved by more indepths of Trunks frustration. The arc rushed on the elements that could have changed Trunks in a new form of hero... that's what exactly happened. Trunks did 2 new stuff: a boost based on frustration more than rage, and gathered the hope of life. Two deeds that needed a more emotional explanation that the script lacked to convey (there was too much Black and less Trunks, in a word).

[Freeza9000]

Now after time-after-time-after-time pondering about this, I think this has more to do with pacing, if anything. I do think that SSJ2 Trunks being able to fight SSJR Black and Zamasu has something to do with his training with Vegeta, who has became a god. There's a chance that more training could've happened offscreen. I just wished they showed more of that training instead of having one episode showcasing SSJB Vegeta beating Trunks. But then again, there is always the fact that there was once in DB history where SSJ2 Rageta surpassed SSJ3 Goku and landed some hits against Beerus.........

About Trunks's new form, I used to call this an asspull, but now that I think about it, the less I think it's a complete asspull. How Trunks achieved this power up was due to learning how the "enormity" of how his past actions of preventing a bad future, saving Goku's life, and ultimately everyone in the past lead to this second apocalypse at the hands of Goku Black. Learning about how his past attempts to try to save Earth involving changing history lead to the events of Zamasu taking Goku's body and wrecking Trunks's future would definitely push him over the edge and lose his sanity. It must've been painful to hear the fact that it was because of Trunks's time traveling lead to the second apocalypse by Goku Black, thus causing the many lives (including his mother) to be taken.

As for the Mafuba, I guess it's quite easy for Goku and Trunks to learn to perform it, especially given how powerful they've become. The only thing that needs work is proper aim. My guess is Mai holding the jar gave Trunks a perfect aim?? And for the Genki-Dama, given how the story portrayed it, I guess Trunks formed it without knowing the fact that it's a Genki Dama. It was like Goku said, what Trunks did was "like" a Genki-Dama.

[Kishido]

It is not about Trunks reaching a new form... that's OK.

[dbzfan7]

They coloured the forms wrong. Trunks, his Genki Sword, and his aura should have been brown. Cause, maaaaan I have never seen anyone reach so far up an asshole in my life. Damn Trunks reached up so far he probably got that hand all the way up his intestines and out of his mouth too.