Is our Kaioshin unusually weak and incompetent?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is our little guy the worst Kaioshin of them all, both in terms of power and competence?

[dragonball0900]

Well in competence, I would say yes. In power, in comparison to the others he is weak, but he's able to be far above Piccolo, so I guess Supreme Kai was stronger than the Cell Jrs but below SSJ Goku from the Cell Games. Judging for the stuff that happens Babidi's ship, he really doesn't know that much how to sense ki properly, or knowing his own strenght.

[Marco Polo]

Buu killed his master way before he learned everything he needed to learn, what did you expect?

[nickzambuto]

I still don't think he's incompetent. He was just a guy trying his very best in a, frankly, ridiculous situation. His biggest mistake was recruiting a bunch of foolhardy saiyans as his allies. I believe he had what it would have taken to defeat Majin Dabura. He would have been pushed to his limits and faced near-death, but considering the beating he took from Boo without quitting, I think he could have done it. Then he would have used the last of his power to cut Babidi in half.

If he just went to the ship by himself (or rather, him and Kibito alone) things would have worked out for the better.

[precita]

Well he also worked with Future Trunks to kill Babidi/Dabura before reviving Buu in the future, so it shows that if he has a Saiyan who listens to him he gets the job done.

[Merged Zamasu]

Compared to Zamasu? Our Kaioshin is an insect. But then again, it's stated Zamasu is a genius even for Supreme Kais standards, so it's not fair to compare them.

[Ki Breaker]

That guy couldn't even complete his studies let alone training amd he is still strong enough to be just below or equal to perfect cell level..
And I doubt these guys even come close to krillin in power


I say our kaioshin is pretty awesome

[TheUltimateNinja]

I still don't think he's incompetent. He was just a guy trying his very best in a, frankly, ridiculous situation. His biggest mistake was recruiting a bunch of foolhardy saiyans as his allies. I believe he had what it would have taken to defeat Majin Dabura. He would have been pushed to his limits and faced near-death, but considering the beating he took from Boo without quitting, I think he could have done it. Then he would have used the last of his power to cut Babidi in half.

If he just went to the ship by himself (or rather, him and Kibito alone) things would have worked out for the better.

I don't think he could beat Dabura, Dabura was dead even with MSSJ Gohan and I don't think Kaioshin can compare to any Buu Arc SSJ in raw power. Sure, he has magic, but Dabura can use magic as well.

Buu killed his master way before he learned everything he needed to learn, what did you expect?

He's had millions of years since then, he should have been able to master everything on his own given that much time.

Well he also worked with Future Trunks to kill Babidi/Dabura before reviving Buu in the future, so it shows that if he has a Saiyan who listens to him he gets the job done.

A Kai like Zamasu or any of the other Kaioshins of U7 would have easily finished the job without the aid of any Saiyans.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

He might be incompetent in his duties but that could be excused by him not having any mentor left, after killed them all.
In terms of power he might have been surpassed by few characters (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan) but in the grand scheme of things the guy is pretty powerful, strong enough to kill Freeza with a single blow, before the post BOG era gods were introduce only a handful of beings were above him, these beings Majin Bu and Dabura, everyone else was below him.

[dragonball0900]

I agree. Kaioshin even though that Dabura was a big threat. Which puts him automatically below SSJ Gohan. I think the reason Supreme Kai manages to resist more is because Babidi wanted him to suffer, so Fat Buu just played with him.

[kinisking]

That guy couldn't even complete his studies let alone training amd he is still strong enough to be just below or equal to perfect cell level..
And I doubt these guys even come close to krillin in power


I say our kaioshin is pretty awesome

They'res not even a slightest hint that they're weaker than krillin.

[Ki Breaker]

That guy couldn't even complete his studies let alone training amd he is still strong enough to be just below or equal to perfect cell level..
And I doubt these guys even come close to krillin in power


I say our kaioshin is pretty awesome

They'res not even a slightest hint that they're weaker than krillin.

They look really really weak, that's what I based it on.
There is no indication of any other kaioshins power except zamasu who was a prodigy, so the question that is our kaioshin weaker than others can't really be answered without assumption

[sintzu]

I think it's too early to tell cause we haven't seen the others yet.

We'll get a better idea during the next tournament.

[RandomGuy96]

He was stated to be weaker than the other four Kaioshin in "our" universe at least, as a result of being the youngest. It's still very odd that he's retained this characterization 5 million years later though. You'd figure in 5 million years he'd train enough to at least be able to beat Dabra.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo

[Zephyr]

They look really really weak

When has that ever been a remotely consistent indicator of someone's power?

[Ki Breaker]

They look really really weak

When has that ever been a remotely consistent indicator of someone's power?

Did you choose to ignore all I have said?
Something had to be assumed and I did just that

[Zephyr]

They look really really weak

When has that ever been a remotely consistent indicator of someone's power?

Did you choose to ignore all I have said?
Something had to be assumed and I did just that

I didn't ignore what you said. You just went with a really odd assumption, considering how much more defensible the opposite one is.

[Ki Breaker]

When has that ever been a remotely consistent indicator of someone's power?

Did you choose to ignore all I have said?
Something had to be assumed and I did just that

I didn't ignore what you said. You just went with a really odd assumption, considering how much more defensible the opposite one is.

I find my assumption to make the most sense, it's a matter of opinion there is absolutely no ground to say which is more likely

[Zephyr]

I find my assumption to make the most sense

The one Kaioshin whose power we know is said to be the weakest of his group. He's also said to be out of Piccolo's league. Without any compelling reason to assume otherwise, it's probably a safe bet to assume that other Kaioshin from other Universes would be of comparable power.

"They look weak" is not a compelling reason, because Dragon Ball is known for having characters who are stronger than their looks would suggest.

As such, there is literally no reason to doubt that these guys are above Krillin. It's fine if you think so, but there's more evidence to the contrary.

[Ki Breaker]

I find my assumption to make the most sense

The one Kaioshin whose power we know is said to be the weakest of his group. He's also said to be out of Piccolo's league. Without any compelling reason to assume otherwise, it's probably a safe bet to assume that other Kaioshin from other Universes would be of comparable power.

"They look weak" is not a compelling reason, because Dragon Ball is known for having characters who are stronger than their looks would suggest.

As such, there is literally no reason to doubt that these guys are above Krillin. It's fine if you think so, but there's more evidence to the contrary.

Comparing different universes kaioshin where both went under different circumstances to conclude there is evidence of them being powerful because our's couldn't complete his training make absolutely zero sense to me..
I find no fun in debating something which has no ground to work with, no reasonable agreement comes form it..
Halting this now