Does anyone else think Super is awful?

[SSJ Human]

I'm curious to see if anyone else finds this series to be terrible and let me clarify that I'm speaking only on the anime, as I find the manga to have taken a different course when it comes to most areas of my disliking such as the anime never using the original Super Saiyan God form after the BOG arc.

I dislike the series mainly for the pacing being all over the place, it's underuse of any characters beyond Goku, Vegeta and maybe Bulma and Future Trunks for his arc, the lack of organic storytelling and really only continue to watch it since I have a long time investment in the franchise.

It's also worth noting that I'm not above praising certain aspects, which are mainly limited to the filler episodes such as the baseball one, and I'm also not critique things not being explained since this was common in the original manga.

[Ki Breaker]

Super has its flaws but is far from being GT awful, it's mediocre at best, talking about anime here, the manga on the other hand is damn good!

The main problem I have is execution being shit, It would be much better if the Pacing is good, but for some reason people actually like the Pacing of super, this really confuses me..
It seems pretty clear super has shitty pacing a lot of time..

Whatever else you noted is also valid overall

[SSJ Human]

Super has its flaws but is far from being GT awful, it's mediocre at best, talking about anime here, the manga on the other hand is damn good!

The main problem I have is execution being shit, It would be much better if the Pacing is good, but fir some reason people actually lile the Pacing of super, this really confuses me..
It seems pretty clear super has shitty Pacing a lot of time..

Whatever else you noted is also valid overall

Yeah I think the manga's great, which is why I felt the need to differentiate it when I made my initial post.

The anime has this thing where it'll get me excited for the arc with a poster or teaser that shows some non-Goku or Vegeta character in a prominent position and then I get to thinking they'll be significant, like I thought Piccolo would be in the tournament arc or how I almost started to think 17 and Gohan will be in the Universe Survival arc.

The Future Trunks arc started slow enough to where I thought it was going to be this 35 - 45 episode saga just like how Z used to have, but then it moves rapidly fast with them going back to the future for the first time and then leaving in the exact next episode, which in Z would have been like five episodes, two or three dedicated to the fights with some other subplot going on in the background, and then the last five episodes feel like they could have been 15 if this was Z. The Merged Zamasu thing instantly made me think the arc would end in under five episodes and it did.

[Lujin_16]

It's overall a good series with some problems just like Z had

[kinisking]

Super has its flaws but is far from being GT awful, it's mediocre at best, talking about anime here, the manga on the other hand is damn good!

The main problem I have is execution being shit, It would be much better if the Pacing is good, but fir some reason people actually lile the Pacing of super, this really confuses me..
It seems pretty clear super has shitty Pacing a lot of time..

Whatever else you noted is also valid overall

Yeah I think the manga's great, which is why I felt the need to differentiate it when I made my initial post.

The anime has this thing where it'll get me excited for the arc with a poster or teaser that shows some non-Goku or Vegeta character in a prominent position and then I get to thinking they'll be significant, like I thought Piccolo would be in the tournament arc or how I almost started to think 17 and Gohan will be in the Universe Survival arc.

The Future Trunks arc started slow enough to where I thought it was going to be this 35 - 45 episode saga just like how Z used to have, but then it moves rapidly fast with them going back to the future for the first time and then leaving in the exact next episode, which in Z would have been like five episodes, two or three dedicated to the fights with some other subplot going on in the background, and then the last five episodes feel like they could have been 15 if this was Z. The Merged Zamasu thing instantly made me think the arc would end in under five episodes and it did.

Well the future trunks arc had other characters being relevant (Future trunks, Mai, Bulma).

[iAnimationLover_]

I'm curious to see if anyone else finds this series to be terrible and let me clarify that I'm speaking only on the anime, as I find the manga to have taken a different course when it comes to most areas of my disliking such as the anime never using the original Super Saiyan God form after the BOG arc.

I dislike the series mainly for the pacing being all over the place, it's underuse of any characters beyond Goku, Vegeta and maybe Bulma and Future Trunks for his arc, the lack of organic storytelling and really only continue to watch it since I have a long time investment in the franchise.

It's also worth noting that I'm not above praising certain aspects, which are mainly limited to the filler episodes such as the baseball one, and I'm also not critique things not being explained since this was common in the original manga.

Its not nearly awful enough to the point to where its not enjoyable.


Best thing to do is just take your favorite moments from the manga and from the anime, Mix them together, and create your own canon :>

[SSJ Human]

It's overall a good series with some problems just like Z had

What is good about it?

Well the future trunks arc had other characters being relevant (Future trunks, Mai, Bulma).

I listed Trunks and Bulma as the exceptions in my initial post so I acknowledged them and Mai was missing for about half of the arc, scantly appearing here and there just to fire a few ineffective shots at Black now and again.

[Merged Zamasu]

I am still salty Super trashed all over the potential of some characters like Frost and Merged Zamasu. Frost was a really interesting character at first. Just because he is a member of Frieza's Race doesn't mean he had to be evil. I thought he would be more of a neutral guy, who has his own agenda and interests, but is honorable and won't harm innocents. But nooo, he had to be turned into Frieza 2.0, because obviously the original Frieza was not enough. Atleast he doesn't have those awful lips. Then we have Merged Zamasu, my favourite character in all of Dragon Ball. Unfortunately, his potential was wasted, as he appears for about 2 episodes and a half. I was so hyped when i first saw him at the peak of his power in Episode 65, it's so sad Blizzard turned him into purple/green Broly. Atleast he died on his own terms, by bringing all mortals down with him.

Oh, i got carried a little away. Well, i think Super is a little bad, lots of neat ideas and character concepts (Frost and Merged Zamasu, to name a few), whose potential was just thrown out of the window.

[Gafonso6]

No, I get out of Super the same enjoyment I get out of Z, maybe a bit more. Does that mean Super has more quality than Z? No. But for me Z drawns out for too long at some parts and that's why I like Kai better than Z. And I don't have nostalgia for Z so I can see the plotholes and the asspuls, something Super has and shouldn't be excused for it but also shouldn't be compared to Z because Super has them but Z doesn't.
So no, in my opinion Super is nowhere near awful, unlike GT, which for me is in the grey area between bad and awful. And I like that it focuses more in comedy instead of fighting like DB, which is my favourite series of all the franchise.

[SSJ Human]

No, I get out of Super the same enjoyment I get out of Z, maybe a bit more. Does that mean Super has more quality than Z? No. But for me Z drawns out for too long at some parts and that's why I like Kai better than Z. And I don't have nostalgia for Z so I can see the plotholes and the asspuls, something Super has and shouldn't be excused for it but also shouldn't be compared to Z because Super has them but Z doesn't.
So no, in my opinion Super is nowhere near awful, unlike GT, which for me is in the grey area between bad and awful. And I like that it focuses more in comedy instead of fighting like DB, which is my favourite series of all the franchise.

Well that's kind of my point. Super's pacing is all over the place. The first time they go back into the future to fight Black felt fast paced since it was just two episodes, then going back felt slow paced without much going on at all. Z and Kai are fairly consistent in their pacing. All of the major battles last several episodes, admittedly sometimes without much going on but a lot of times there was a subplot that contributed to the main story like while Piccolo was fighting 17 the Saiyans were training.

The comedy's really the only thing that saves the series in my view as it consistently entertains me in that department.

[Nekis13]

Personally, no. Super is probably one of the best things that's happened to me and I'm glad I can follow a Dragon Ball series ongoing for the first time.

I may not like it as much as Z, but it's pretty close for me.

It may have it's problems, some moments I don't like. But in the end it still feels like Dragon Ball, and that's something GT couldn't do for me.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

No, I get out of Super the same enjoyment I get out of Z, maybe a bit more. Does that mean Super has more quality than Z? No. But for me Z drawns out for too long at some parts and that's why I like Kai better than Z. And I don't have nostalgia for Z so I can see the plotholes and the asspuls, something Super has and shouldn't be excused for it but also shouldn't be compared to Z because Super has them but Z doesn't.
So no, in my opinion Super is nowhere near awful, unlike GT, which for me is in the grey area between bad and awful. And I like that it focuses more in comedy instead of fighting like DB, which is my favourite series of all the franchise.

Yeah this is pretty much me.

Does nobody here rememeber all jokes everybody use to make about Z's pacing?

[Saikyo no Senshi]

It is 80% trash. 20% enjoyable and that 20% is enough to keep me wanting to watch the show. Now, I would like to clarify that the original series, Dragon Ball and Z weren't that good either. Unlike many fans, I don't think the franchise is the best thing ever or anything like that. It was an average battle series that had some good enjoyable moments and that's it. Super is the same just to a lesser extent. Trunks arc was very entertaining though.

The characters and writing isn't even the problem to me. At least not as much as it is to everyone else. It's the production values that bothers me. An anime is more than the writing and except for a few choice moments it has been very bad. So, yeah it is an awfully made show with awful production values for the most part.

[Yedis]

I don't understand how someone can like the Manga but not the Anime or vice versa.

They tell the same story and arrive at the same conclusion.
Neither utilizes characters beyond Goku and Vegeta.
The Pacing is similar.

[Gafonso6]

No, I get out of Super the same enjoyment I get out of Z, maybe a bit more. Does that mean Super has more quality than Z? No. But for me Z drawns out for too long at some parts and that's why I like Kai better than Z. And I don't have nostalgia for Z so I can see the plotholes and the asspuls, something Super has and shouldn't be excused for it but also shouldn't be compared to Z because Super has them but Z doesn't.
So no, in my opinion Super is nowhere near awful, unlike GT, which for me is in the grey area between bad and awful. And I like that it focuses more in comedy instead of fighting like DB, which is my favourite series of all the franchise.

Well that's kind of my point. Super's pacing is all over the place. The first time they go back into the future to fight Black felt fast paced since it was just two episodes, then going back felt slow paced without much going on at all. Z and Kai are fairly consistent in their pacing. All of the major battles last several episodes, admittedly sometimes without much going on but a lot of times there was a subplot that contributed to the main story like while Piccolo was fighting 17 the Saiyans were training.

The comedy's really the only thing that saves the series in my view as it consistently entertains me in that department.

And that's my problem with Z, don't like fights that last more than 3 episodes, 3 episodes is the best for me, I like Super's fast pace, was it a little slow paced in the middle of the Future Trunks arc? Yeah, but not enough to ruin it for me. I don't like when for example a character says they have to kill their enemy fast but they take 5 episodes to do it and at the end someones appears to help and says "Wow, you finished him off real fast" I think to myself "WTF?!No he didn't". That's why I like a show thats more fast paced, not has fast paced as the manga that's too fast.

[HeroR]

I don't understand how someone can like the Manga but not the Anime or vice versa.

They tell the same story and arrive at the same conclusion.
Neither utilizes characters beyond Goku and Vegeta.
The Pacing is similar.

The story maybe similar, but Super manga and anime are two different products.

The pacing of the manga is much faster than the anime. There are different fights and most of the fights after Cabba and Vegeta match are different from each other. The characterization of certain characters are also different.

Which one you like better is all preference. Although, I do agree that both focuses on Goku and Vegeta, so I don't see how the manga is better in that regard. The anime actually uses the extended cast more like having character focused episodes like Future Trunks visiting Gohan, while Gohan in the manga haven't been seen since the Battle of Gods Saga.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't understand how someone can like the Manga but not the Anime or vice versa.

They tell the same story and arrive at the same conclusion.
Neither utilizes characters beyond Goku and Vegeta.
The Pacing is similar.

It's easy to tell why. Even though they share the same skeleton, the other tissues have different strengths that appeal to different people. Also, there are different standards for each product, since they serve different, albeit similar purposes.

As for the topic, nah. Super isn't awful, it's just not very good for reasons. Not very interesting reasons though.

[Ki Breaker]

I don't like when for example a character says they have to kill their enemy fast but they take 5 episodes to do it and at the end someones appears to help and says "Wow, you finished him off real fast" I think to myself "WTF?!No he didn't". That's why I like a show thats more fast paced, not has fast paced as the manga that's too fast.

Ever saw two school girls fighting? They pull each other's hairs and it's over in 30 seconds..

Now ever saw two seasoned Martial artists fight till one of them is not able to even Stand anymore and up to the other's mercy? That takes about half an hour to an hour..

When someone compliments the winning martial artist on finishing him off quickly , they mean it lesser than the expected time, takes much much longer for a fight of that level..

And here we are talking about god level beings in war out to kill each other, it being over like a goddam hair pulling marathon dosen't feel satisfying, fights Should take longer because fighters are tougher

[SSJ Human]

Super is probably one of the best things that's happened to me

Um...what? Not trying to offend you, but when I think of the best things that happened to me I usually recall some achievement I made or person I met. Cartons don't come to mind. I could see where Toriyama would say Dragon Ball was one of the best things to happen to him since he got paid and achieved recognition through it, and the animators and other people involved officially can say they turned a profit but that's about it.

I don't understand how someone can like the Manga but not the Anime or vice versa.

They tell the same story and arrive at the same conclusion.
Neither utilizes characters beyond Goku and Vegeta.
The Pacing is similar.

It's easy to tell why. Even though they share the same skeleton, the other tissues have different strengths that appeal to different people. Also, there are different standards for each product, since they serve different, albeit similar purposes.

As for the topic, nah. Super isn't awful, it's just not very good for reasons. Not very interesting reasons though.

My problem with the anime that is not present in the manga is that the pacing isn't all over the place, though that's likely due to Toyotaro skipping that terrible Resurrection F arc. I'd argue that the manga has utilized Beerus, Whis and Supreme Kai fairly consistently since it started with the latter's reappearance even being fleshed out in the manga whereas the anime doesn't bother to elaborate so that's another point for the manga and loss for the anime.

[Nekis13]

Super is probably one of the best things that's happened to me

Um...what? Not trying to offend you, but when I think of the best things that happened to me I usually recall some achievement I made or person I met. Cartons don't come to mind. I could see where Toriyama would say Dragon Ball was one of the best things to happen to him since he got paid and achieved recognition through it, and the animators and other people involved officially can say they turned a profit but that's about it.

I put that weirdly. didn't I? What I'm saying is that Super is one of the best things that happened to me as a fan of the franchise. Hell, it even got my parents back into the series as well! I wasn't trying to refer to like... a Life accomplishment or something like that.

I probably should've used a different expression.